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Exactly how much airspace does a vessel at sea in international waters own,
who controls it, and what treatys, if any, grant control to any particular vessel? "W P Dixon" wrote in message ... WOW! One would have to be pretty stupid to fly over DC in todays world. I can understand the "No Fly Zone" policy, but I can't understand why all the cops in the area have to act like Soviet paratroopers are descending around Washington Monument. When onboard the USS Iwo Jima we almost had to shoot down a small GA plane in the Med. He invaded our airspace, after the second warning battle stations were called, all the cool anti aircraft machine guns and missles came online. The Captain had them try him one last time and he waved his wings and turned around. I often wonder if he actually realized how close to dying he was. So I can agree with most and say the DC police act like a bunch of bent out of shape Campfire Girls running around screaming , but if a US Warship has protected airspace..shouldn't the Capital of the US? What excuse could a pilot give in VFR conditions for being to close to DC? Oh I didn't know what DC looked like? I agree with the take their license away. The news channels were saying that it would take the plane 90 seconds to reach the Capital or White House from the 3 mile radius....bet that 3 mile becomes 10 miles soon. We can thank this latest idiot as well as the Governor of Kentucky's pilots! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech |
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Well kontiki,
I am a student pilot and I have enough sense to not fly to the White House. Doesn't VFR mean being able to see the ground? Please correct me if I am wrong there. Is there really any American who can not tell what Washington DC looks like ? I wonder if he was flying with his instructor? I do not know the answer to that.., blame the CFI , if it was a CFI with him? Probably none of us know all the details, but from what I do know, I would rip their certificates up. But hey, that's my humble opinion. Could it change as more facts are known , sure I am flexible. But things don't look to good from what I do know. Oh and I do agree with you, if we would do something to control our borders we would be alot better off....maybe even not have to take away Americans rights, and "strip search Grandma at the airport" Our nation's security should start at the border, not at a St. Louis airport in the middle of the country. Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech "kontiki" wrote in message ... Yeah, well it was a student pilot for God's sake. Lets Burn him/her at the stake. As I said, it was a stedent pilot... sheesh. And why not shut down the airspace around all US cities while we are at it? After all, Don Daley destroyed an airport in Chicago proportedly because of the "threat" of these dangerous GA aircraft. |
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"Arnold Sten" wrote: It is indeed unfortunate that the general, non-aviation public only receives its information from the likes of CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc. When was the last time any of you saw any mention of the hundreds or even thousands of pilots small, private airplanes in a responsible and safe manner. Tonight, on CNN. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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Jose wrote:
Just idly thinking here after two glasses of wine, but what if =all= the spam cans in the country formed a line and flew directly over the white house at 2000 feet with no transponder code and no clearance, and kept doing it even as we were being shot down? What do you think the eventual effect of this would be? No more spam cans? Charles. -N8385U |
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Jay Masino wrote:
Dave Stadt wrote: A communication problem is no excuse for doing what they did. These guys are from the area and have no excuse for not knowing about the restricted area. They aren't my brothers, Some reports say that they, in fact, had an ADIZ squawk code. That would suggest that they were atleast trying to do follow the correct procedure. It would be nice if we allowed them to be innocent until proven guilty. Human beings make mistakes, occasionally. It doesn't appear to be at question whether or not they penetrated the restricted (prohibited?) area. Therefore, they are guilty period. It was probably not intentional, but that has no bearing on guilt or innocence in this case. If they flew into the area, they are guilty. It really is that simple. Matt |
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wrote in message
2) There are probably less than 1,000,000 active pilots in this country - that's a tiny proportion of the general population. Actually, about half that number (some 0.2% of the US population). -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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gatt wrote:
It's really ridiculous. London endured the Blitz. America has got to stop living in fear. Not a good example. Small planes have been banned from the airspace over London for decades. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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"smf" wrote in message
Come on guys, rules are rules! No-Fly Zone means just that. Mistakes are made but don't discount the mistake. Sorry, but this is stepping on a raw nerve. Show me any navigation chart or NOTAM establishing a "no-fly zone" around Washington. It's a two-layer airspace restriction: The larger Air Defense Identification Zone and an inner Flight Restricted Zone. Flights - even by GA aircraft - routinely fly in both zones. There is *not* a "no-fly zone" around DC. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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"W P Dixon" wrote in message
I can understand the "No Fly Zone" policy What "No Fly Zone" policy? -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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("Jimmy B." wrote)
With all this talk of A-bombs, I would like to say hello to all the government agents who are now reading this thread. HI GUYS! We're all good Americans here! I thought it was decided that we weren't .. I mean all good Americans ...I mean we weren't all Americans here on the newsgroups. "Knock, knock, knock." - Oh crap!! So your plan was to drop your suitcase bomb last Monday? Yes, but the weather wouldn't cooperate - low ceilings all day. What about last Wednesday? What happened to that plan? Wheel shimmy and a locking brake. That plane will be ready in 3 weeks. And this past weekend? Couldn't get a plane. Weather was great, all the planes were rented. And yesterday? Only thing available was the Lance. We're not checked out in the Lance. Montblack Loathing terrorists (and gang-bangers) Fearing American Gulags |
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