#1 Jet of World War II

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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This thread is a bit silly. There was only one jet fighter in WWII,
and that was the Me 262. Getting there too late for combat (P-80)
doesn't count. Chasing V-1s (Meteor) doesn't count.


Why doesn't chasing V-1s count?



Being deemed
unsuitable for combat (P-59A) doesn't count. The only thing that
counts is shooting down enemy aircraft.


Why isn't the V-1 an enemy aircraft?

Probably 'cause it's considered a "flying bomb" or an early cruise
missile. Technically, it IS an enemy aircraft since it has wings &
flies, but it wasn't piloted & wasn't much of an adversary in that
aspect.

"Frank May" wrote in message
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Probably 'cause it's considered a "flying bomb" or an early cruise
missile. Technically, it IS an enemy aircraft since it has wings &
flies, but it wasn't piloted & wasn't much of an adversary in that
aspect.


Exactly. Air combat is combat which takes place in the air, shooting down a
V-1 is obviously air combat.

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 20:42:14 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Why isn't the V-1 an enemy aircraft?

It doesn't have a pilot. It was a missile, not an aircraft.

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Phil
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"phil hunt" wrote in message
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It doesn't have a pilot. It was a missile, not an aircraft.


The definition of "aircraft" includes "pilot"?

We can all be grateful that it came too late
to make any difference in how the air battle over Germany worked out.

Agreed, Dan. As Hap Arnold said a few days after the war as he watched a
captured Me 262 thunder past him at an Allied airfield, "We really got
lucky..."

v/r
Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message
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We can all be grateful that it came too late
to make any difference in how the air battle over Germany worked out.

Agreed, Dan. As Hap Arnold said a few days after the war as he watched a
captured Me 262 thunder past him at an Allied airfield, "We really got
lucky..."


"Hap" Arnold was at times given to hyperbole. For example, upon seeing a
demonstration for the first time of an early-model Mosquito, he blurted,
"We've (the Allies) won the war!" Perhaps he meant that remark in terms of
qualitave measures.

That the Me-262 was not a sgnificant a/c had exactly nothing to do with
luck. Allied depredations against the sources of proper materiels for its
turbine construction (and against all other German jet engines to boot)
combined with relentless bombing attacks on its formal production facilities
and fuel sources as well as the lines of communication from factory to
airfield meant that no more than perhaps 200 such underdeveloped,
short-ranged a/c were ever available to the Luftwaffe on a given day.

The great majority of Me-262s were either bombed to bits at their factories
or strafed into ribbons on their airfields. If either side were "lucky" it
was Germany, not the Allies, because the latter elected not to seriously
explore applications of jet-propulsion until some point in 1943.

On 05 Jul 2003 12:59:18 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

If you really want to play with your own straw men so much, tell me
about your personal, first-hand knowledge of Geoffrey Chaucer. It's
only right.

Gavin Bailey

You tell me yours. I'll tell you mine.

I have no-first hand experience of Geoffrey Chaucer in person
whatsoever.

Your turn.

Gavin Bailey

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Subject: #1 Jet of World War II
From: Bill Shatzer
Date: 7/5/03 11:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Mike Dargan wrote:

Frank May wrote:

Probably 'cause it's considered a "flying bomb" or an early cruise
missile. Technically, it IS an enemy aircraft since it has wings &
flies, but it wasn't piloted & wasn't much of an adversary in that
aspect.

Pretty scary to shoot at--especially if you manage to set of a ton of
high explosive right in front of you.

Hardly scarier than shooting at a bomber with 3 to 6 tons (or more) of
explosives on board.

And, unlike a V-1, the bomber can shoot back.

Cheers and all,


Like everything else in war, you are not supposed to like it , you are just
supposed to do it .If it belongs to the enemy, you kill it.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: #1 Jet of World War II
From: nt (Gordon)
Date: 7/14/03 9:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Best range cruise speed fpr any type of Mosquito would be 'bout 170
kts/196 mph IAS.

That is a very interesting number. I can't help but compare it to the B-26
which got its best range at 180 IAS



I'd have to wornder, what was that "best range"? I was under the impression
that the Mosquito could fly several times as far as the B-26 with a full
4,000
pound bombload.

Take off the armor, take off the
guns and top turret and cut the crew to two and the B-26 may well have
outperformed the Mosquito by a large margin..

Art, the Mosquito was designed to save strategic materials, so factor that in
as well. How well would the B-26 perform if it were made out of wood? I
think
its quite difficult to accurately compare widely dissimilar aircraft, with
different design constraints and resource restrictions, unless grant some
leeway in your bias toward the B-26. Its natural and I'm not saying you are
wrong in being a fan of the Marauder, but there WAS a B-26 version without
the
turret and armor, and a crew of two or three -- its performance was such that
it was determined most useful to the AAF and USN in the role of target tugs.

v/r
Gordon



The way the USAAC operated planes that were unarmored and unarmed were of no
value. We flew into flak in broad daylight and depended on armor and guns for
defence, And we carried 4,000 pounds of bombs every time.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer