NDB IAPs... going... gone

I got a much thicker than usual packet from Jeppesen yesterday, and the
bulk of the changes were the removal of dozens of NDB IAPs. I had heard
that the FAA was looking to decomission a lot of "redundant" NDB
appoaches, but was surprised to see that they were really gone so soon.

I guess there's nothing wrong with that, progress and all. But, having
only done a few years of instrument flying (and never flying an NDB
approach for "real") I was surprised at the sadness and nostalgia I
felt for some old practice favorites I was pulling out of my book. OAK
NDB 27R

That said, I really hope they don't take away the compass locators on
localizer and ILS approaches. I don't know why, but I love watching
that needle flip around when I pass the marker. It's very satisfying
having a totally separate and simple system confirm your location. But
I guess they'll be going soon, too, as there's little reason to
maintain them.

I feel like my flying club is one of the last holdouts on getting IFR
GPSes in their aircraft, but considering the number of RNAV/GPS plates
that are going *into* the books, I think the writing is on the wall.

-- dave j

In a previous article, said:
That said, I really hope they don't take away the compass locators on
localizer and ILS approaches. I don't know why, but I love watching

Here in Rochester, they rewrote the ILS approaches to use intersections
instead of the BREIT LOM first several months ago, and then decomissioned
the NDB28 approach that used BREIT last revision.

I feel like my flying club is one of the last holdouts on getting IFR
GPSes in their aircraft, but considering the number of RNAV/GPS plates
that are going *into* the books, I think the writing is on the wall.

Yeah, we're dealing with that decision too. It's not the paying for (at
least) 5 GPSes that worries us, it's the cost of 5 database updates since
Garmin won't give a bulk discount.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Sometimes, when a luser makes an unreasonable demand, the best thing
to do is let them have exactly what they ask for.
-- Joe Zeff

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Here in Rochester, they rewrote the ILS approaches to use intersections
instead of the BREIT LOM first several months ago, and then decomissioned
the NDB28 approach that used BREIT last revision.


Probably just a coincidence. Other NDB approaches have been deleted where
the LOMs remain in use.

wrote:
I got a much thicker than usual packet from Jeppesen yesterday, and the
bulk of the changes were the removal of dozens of NDB IAPs. I had heard
that the FAA was looking to decomission a lot of "redundant" NDB
appoaches, but was surprised to see that they were really gone so soon.

I guess there's nothing wrong with that, progress and all. But, having
only done a few years of instrument flying (and never flying an NDB
approach for "real") I was surprised at the sadness and nostalgia I
felt for some old practice favorites I was pulling out of my book. OAK
NDB 27R

That said, I really hope they don't take away the compass locators on
localizer and ILS approaches. I don't know why, but I love watching
that needle flip around when I pass the marker. It's very satisfying
having a totally separate and simple system confirm your location. But
I guess they'll be going soon, too, as there's little reason to
maintain them.

I feel like my flying club is one of the last holdouts on getting IFR
GPSes in their aircraft, but considering the number of RNAV/GPS plates
that are going *into* the books, I think the writing is on the wall.

-- dave j


See if you can get ahold of one they are ripping out cheap, then set it
up in your back yard and run practice approaches with it.

No, not kidding. Surely the FAA/FCC would let someone set one up
in Arizona or something for all the old guys to use. Can you still set
up a four course range ?

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That said, I really hope they don't take away the compass locators on
localizer and ILS approaches. I don't know why, but I love watching
that needle flip around when I pass the marker. It's very satisfying
having a totally separate and simple system confirm your location. But
I guess they'll be going soon, too, as there's little reason to
maintain them.

Those have been going away for years. It's now somewhat rare to find an
LOM on an ILS approach.

--
Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

I could not agree more. It's a totally new ongoing expense. It used to
be that pilots were responsible for their own nav data (ie, charts and
plates) and now the club is going to be responsible for it. Just a bit
more squeeze, especially considering that the pilots are still going to
have to have current charts/plates.

It would be better if there were some other suppliers who could provide
database updates -- giving a little competition. I think that some of
the smaller handheld GPS companies don't use Jepp data, but take the
gov't data and reformat it themselves and provide it for their
customers.

Does Jepp have some kind of exclusive contract with the gov't?

-- dave j

In a previous article, said:
It would be better if there were some other suppliers who could provide
database updates -- giving a little competition. I think that some of
the smaller handheld GPS companies don't use Jepp data, but take the
gov't data and reformat it themselves and provide it for their
customers.

The ones that don't use Jepp data are generally using DAFIF, which may be
going away soon. See http://navaid.com/dafif.html for details. They also
have the huge advantage that because they're doing data for handhelds,
PDAs and/or flight simulators, they don't have large liability concerns
the way Jepp does. Jepp charges a lot for their data because morons like
Ron Brown's familiy sues them for an accident that is not their fault.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
DON'T MAKE THAT FACE WHEN I TELL YOU TO READ THE F*CKING MANUAL! IT'S GOOD FOR
YOU I SAY! How do you think I found out how the machine works? DID I SIT
AROUND ASKING SOMEBODY FOR A FEW MONTHS?? -- Beable van Polasm

No, not kidding. Surely the FAA/FCC would let someone set one up
in Arizona or something

The FAA couldn't care less. If you don't jump through the hoops to
have it inspected, you can still have it shown on the sectional but it
will be noted as VFR use only.

The FCC will require you to license the transmitter, but it's very
doable.

There are NDB's sitting on private fields. Some even have private
approaches charted, others are VFR only.

Michael

On 8/17/2005 14:27, Michael wrote:

No, not kidding. Surely the FAA/FCC would let someone set one up
in Arizona or something

The FAA couldn't care less. If you don't jump through the hoops to
have it inspected, you can still have it shown on the sectional but it
will be noted as VFR use only.

The FCC will require you to license the transmitter, but it's very
doable.

There are NDB's sitting on private fields. Some even have private
approaches charted, others are VFR only.

Michael


Couldn't you just use a local AM radio station? Of course, it's not
likely to be aligned with the runway, but then neither are some other
official approaches.

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA

Couldn't you just use a local AM radio station?

Nah. Doesn't really give you the flavor of a real approach. The
transmitter is high quality, high power, and properly tuned so the
needle is rock steady on all but the worst receivers. Listening to the
transmission is not nearly as annoying as listening to those dits and
dahs. Makes it just too easy.

Michael