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Cessna sued for skydiving accident.
Morgans wrote:
"kontiki" wrote Most people have received a pitiful economic education in this country (thanks to the in-bred nature of government schools) tso they don't have a clue. ******************************** I am sick to death of everyone placing the blame for everything on "government schools." It is very possible to get a good education at government schools, if you want to learn. The blame for most of the problems with government schools is the lack of motivation of the students, and is a failure of the parents of kids who are not motivated to learn. What does economic education have to do with leaning about a hopelessly screwed up justice system have to do with the price of beans in China? That seems like it would be a government-social studies failure, if anything. Is a government school responsible for you not being able to proof read your posts? It must be, to write "tso they don't have a clue." I just lost a bit of respect for you. I thought you were smarter than to play a blame game like you showed in a post like this. Nah Jim, He's got it right. Let's go back to a system where only the wealthy got an education and put everyone else to work at 12. That should fix the problem! Margy |
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Cessna sued for skydiving accident.
Matt Whiting wrote:
Morgans wrote: "kontiki" wrote Most people have received a pitiful economic education in this country (thanks to the in-bred nature of government schools) tso they don't have a clue. ******************************** I am sick to death of everyone placing the blame for everything on "government schools." It is very possible to get a good education at government schools, if you want to learn. The blame for most of the problems with government schools is the lack of motivation of the students, and is a failure of the parents of kids who are not motivated to learn. What does economic education have to do with leaning about a hopelessly screwed up justice system have to do with the price of beans in China? That seems like it would be a government-social studies failure, if anything. Blaming the schools alone isn't legitimate, but they certainly have been a significant contributor. Public schools long ago moved from a "personal responsibility" to a "self-esteem" based approached that has been disastrous and is a significant contributor to many of society's problems today. No longer can schools punish students as it is either illegal or will harm the students' self-esteem. When a student fails a class, we blame everyone but the student and find a way to move them along anyway. I know you have public school connections (your wife as I recall), but the reality is that public schools HAVE contributed to this phenomenon of sending subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, messages that nothing is YOUR fault it is the fault of the "system", and don't worry as the "system" will take care of you anyway. Matt It's not the schools its the parents. I've seen parents come in to find out why the TEACHER made a mistake and Johnny got a B. The parent went to the principal to complain. In an unbelievable act the principal actually defended the teacher. In addition teachers have a common name for many science fair projects. They are called "daddy-dos". In a system where parents attack teachers if the kids do poorly you can hardly blame the teachers. Maybe the schools for not telling the parents off, but if you tell the parents off the school budget doesn't get passed. Margy Margy |
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This "Everyone is equal" teaching really gets in the way of your
supremist slant. Sorry, it's the "everyone is equal" slant that has caused so much uproar in America's schools, with the "No Child Left Behind" (NCLB) initiative. This is the approach that treats all children equal, without regard to ability or aptitude, and penalizes schools that do not achieve test averages without regard to these abilities or aptitude. Given the wide disparity between children and their abilities, this egalitarian treatment has caused a great deal of controversy. On the one hand, I appreciate the fact that -- for the first time in MY lifetime -- teachers are being held to a real standard. On the other hand, punishing a school when special-needs kids don't pass the standardized test seems ludicrous. Of course, the inevitable bureacratic response to this standardized test will be a "dumbing down" of the requirements. THAT is the problem I see with NCLB, and has nothing to do with any kind of "supremist slant". Luckily, this can be easily "over-written" with proper parenting skills. Jay, you Uber Parent you! Tell us more about how bitchen you are. As usual, your attitude is getting in the way of conversation. I suggest less coffee. Too many parents aren't aware of (or don't care about) this subtle undercurrent in the schools that, over time, has produced a society of lazy, sue-happy "it's not my fault!" people. Here is that "Everyone education is flawed" thing again. This comes uip in many of your posts. Can you not accept that others might have opinions other than your own? Of course. It's called "conversation" -- you might try it sometime. It's fun! Universal education is the glue that holds society together, and more is always better -- for everyone. However, schools that treat all kids exactly the same, regardless of ability or aptitude, is a recipe for disaster. Both Kontiki's point about inbred schools creating a less-than-optimal society and Jim's point about not blaming the schools for everything are entirely valid, even though they seem to conflict in many ways. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Cessna sued for skydiving accident. OT rant...
A truly unfortunate aside to this "practice" is that the phony litigations are so frequent and so costly, there is a
very good chance that the legitimate cases where there actually is just cause for a lawsuit are often looked at in the same jaundiced eye by the public as the phony cases and true justice can suffer. This has been going on for a very long time! Sue McDonalds because you spilled coffee on your lap? This is a perfect example. Upon closer examination, the McDonalds case does have merit. But people don't examine it more closely, because of their jaundiced eye. (There's an earlier thread about this, though I doubt it's easy to find based on subject line... though neither will this one be). Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Ah, I see Number One Son was signed into google on this computer. Sorry about the confusion -- the opinions expressed here were mine, not his! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I applaud you if your parental time and effort paid off exactly the way
you planned it. But not everyone in the generation of "lazy, sue-happy 'it's not my fault' people" are the result of parents who "aren't aware or don't care" or who didn't teach their kids about work ethics or give them a moral compass. Some people of that mindset had parents who were just as aware, cared just as much, and worked just as hard to teach, educate, and guide their kids. They simply don't *all* take the path (even in their thinking) we would choose for them. Absolutely true -- and I didn't imply otherwise. I've seen kids with the best upbringing turn to crap, and I've seen kids with the worst upbringing turn to gold. There are no guarantees with children, and the "jury is still out" on mine. I've always said that my son will either grow up to become a brilliant criminal mastermind, or a great philanthropist -- there's no way of knowing at this point! ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Cessna sued for skydiving accident.
Except for the fact that the passengers were all skydivers, skydiving had
nothing to do with the accident. An unfortunate title for the thread. Bob Gardner "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... C J Campbell wrote: The parents of Bryan Jones, a 34 year old Microsoft engineer who was one of nine skydivers killed in the crash of a Cessna Caravan, are suing Cessna. The Caravan was returning from Star, Idaho, to Shelton, Washington. The parents are alleging that the Cessna Caravan was defective and should not have been flying in icy weather. The airplane is not certified for flight into known ice, although the plane in question did have boots. So, Cessna is being blamed because a pilot may have operated the plane in direct contradiction to the aircraft flight manual and warnings in Cessna's operating instructions. If this is true, you are viewing what has become one of the prime reasons associated with the virtual end of General Aviation as at least I knew it for the first 25 years I was involved in aviation. It's the trial lawyers. They will go after anything and everything with deep pockets involved in an accident. They operate in conditions like these on the premise that REGARDLESS of the appropriate and inappropriate actions of a pilot, if one screw was out of place on the aircraft itself, the manufacturer can be litigated for financial gain. In many cases, it is my understanding that manufacturers simply "settle" the suits rather than defend them based upon specific lawyers reputations for their ability to sway juries. It's nothing but sheer extortion in the majority of the cases. A truly unfortunate aside to this "practice" is that the phony litigations are so frequent and so costly, there is a very good chance that the legitimate cases where there actually is just cause for a lawsuit are often looked at in the same jaundiced eye by the public as the phony cases and true justice can suffer. The lawyers can be "congratulated" for literally destroying not only GA, but for the most part, the publics' faith and dependence in a true and honest justice system. -- Dudley Henriques |
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This has been going on for a very long time! Sue McDonalds because you spilled coffee on your lap? Sue Parker because the pilot followed a failing gyro into the ground? This is not new news, and the sheep in the USA simply eat it up, because maybe, just maybe, their ticket will come in and they, too, can hit it big! It is the lotto mentality that is dragging us down. No wonder there are so many jobs available for the immigrant worker; many americans simply don't think they need to do a hard days work, and that they are entitled to a better life without doing the work... Well put, I have been amazed at how many people seem to think that they can become millionaires happily sipping coffee at the bookstore and watching the value of their homes go up 20% each year! Now that the bubble has burst there are many who think that the government should come to their rescue! |
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Cessna sued for skydiving accident.
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:30:56 -0500, Margy Natalie
wrote: It's not the schools its the parents. I've seen parents come in to find out why the TEACHER made a mistake and Johnny got a B. My wife's a dedicated teacher. I hear it every day. 8^( |
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Cessna sued for skydiving accident.
On Dec 1, 8:03 pm, Peter Clark
wrote: Caravans and icing aparantly have a probematic history, going back at least to AD 2006-01-11R1 which required that additional boots on cargo pods and handles to make upper wing inspection easier be isntalled, plus various things I've read but can't recall where right now about changes to icing procedures WRT minimum airspeeds etc. There's been an AD against the Caravan for more than a year (2006-06-06) that was recently superseded by 2007-10-15, perhaps driven by this accident. It seems that it doesn't matter that ADs are issued; they have to be modified or amended or superseded to make people sit up and take problems seriously. The Caravan has long had a history of poor ice performance and anyone flying one and staying current with aviation should know that. 2007-10-15: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...7?OpenDocument Dan |
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