Radio altimeter fault triggered Turkish Airlines crash

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http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/un...h-evidenc.html

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

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"Musicrab" wrote:

In the news everywhere
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/un...sh-airlines-cr
ash-evidenc.html

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I think pilots should have their own version of the doctors' "primum non
nocere": first, fly the plane!

Of course this is a preliminary result and could well be wrong, but even
so I think there's a good lesson in it for us: always keep your mind on
what's important, and never let yourself be distracted by trivial things
when your mind is needed elsewhere. Of course we all know this already,
but a reminder never hurts.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Mar 4, 5:37*am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Mar 4, 5:37 am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news
everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

I write left handed but I throw a baseball, bowl, shoot a basketball etc.
like a righty so which altimeter would I look at?

Musicrab writes:

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

Turkish Airlines has the worst safety record of all airlines in Europe and the
U.S. combined, in terms of flights with fatalities over total flights. And it
trails by quite a margin.

If you can't answer the question why did you post a reply? ( Does this
sound at all familiar to you? )

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Musicrab writes:

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left
and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting
fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

Turkish Airlines has the worst safety record of all airlines in Europe and
the
U.S. combined, in terms of flights with fatalities over total flights.
And it
trails by quite a margin.

On Mar 4, 2:21*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Musicrab writes:
What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. *The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

Turkish Airlines has the worst safety record of all airlines in Europe and the
U.S. combined, in terms of flights with fatalities over total flights. *And it
trails by quite a margin.

I don't think (and could be wrong) that a coupled/automated approach
does in fact need a conventional altimeter.

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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Mar 4, 5:37 am, "Musicrab" wrote:
In the news
everywherehttp://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/03/turkish
-ai...

What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

I'm right handed so I've not tried using a left hand altimeter.

I write left handed but I throw a baseball, bowl, shoot a basketball etc.
like a righty so which altimeter would I look at?

If you find out, let me know too.

On Mar 4, 11:21*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Musicrab writes:
What's the Boeing 737-800 flight manual say about what to do when left and
right hand altimeters don't match?

It surely points out that working altimeters are required for an automated
approach. *The airline flew with broken altimeters, and after tempting fate
several times, it finally caught up with them.

You are talking about standard altitude altimeters or RAs? From
reading the it appears that the concern is about the RA's not the
altimeters. No plane is going to flare as a result of a reading from a
pressure altimeter.

-Robret

a wrote:
On Mar 4, 2:21 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Musicrab writes:

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I don't think (and could be wrong) that a coupled/automated approach
does in fact need a conventional altimeter.

In my F-4 it did not. But that was back in the mid 80s with an analog
autopilot.

Also, can some explain what retard is?

Danny Deger