"Dirty Tricks" and "Both Sides Do It"

Hey Gang:

So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
"howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with
all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .

.. . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear, use
proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?

There are objective, "scientific" methods to determine to what extent each
political party uses so-called "dirty tricks" in their campaigns.

Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and
to what extent?

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"Leslie Swartz" wrote in message
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| Hey Gang:
|
| So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
| "howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with
| all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .
|
| . . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
| premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear,
use
| proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?
|
| There are objective, "scientific" methods to determine to what extent each
| political party uses so-called "dirty tricks" in their campaigns.
|
| Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and
| to what extent?
|
| --
| *********************************
| Steve & Leslie Swartz
| Abolish the Police State
| and
| the Welfare State
| VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
| ********************************
|
|






Leslie, unless one or both sides start using military aircraft - it really
is irrelevant for this newsgroup.


In any case, US campaign politics becomes less and interesting the further
you are away from the US.



Cheers


Dave Kearton

Leslie Swartz wrote:
Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks
and to what extent?

Not in a group created for the discussion of military aviation.

*plonk*

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"Leslie Swartz" wrote in message
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Hey Gang:

So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
"howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with
all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .

Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

. . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear,
use
proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?

No.

Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and
to what extent?

No.

does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
premise that "both sides do it"

As posted, the astonishing thing is that all these sick comments seem
to come from the Kerry side. So no, on the evidence, only one side is
doing it.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

Can I do that, using Agent? It complains about a syntax error.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

Can I do that, using Agent? It complains about a syntax error.

Dan, do you suppose that might be because there's no such word as
"thusly"?

vince norris

As posted, the astonishing thing is that all these sick comments seem
to come from the Kerry side. So no, on the evidence, only one side is
doing it.

The really astonishing thing is that people can actually make
claims like that, when there already have been numerous
smear campaigns (

Emmanuel, are you being dishonest or simply over-hasty in reading the
post? I am speaking of the sick trolls on this newsgroup. Smears are a
standard part of American politics, and have nothing to do with the ~
SICK TROLL ~. He is sui generis.

There are no troll messages from anybody calling himself Kerry Was a
Baby Killer. There are many from Laura Bush Killed Her Boyfriend. The
weird stuff is all on the left.

Sometimes when I get through reading this newsgroup, I find myself
looking at my shoes, to make sure I have stepped on anything nasty.



all the best -- Dan Ford
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see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

My bet is that we are going to see the dirtiest, nastiest
election campaign in the post-war period.

You evidently haven't followed many American elections. This one, so
far, is notable mostly for its blandness.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

In article ,
Cub Driver writes:

My bet is that we are going to see the dirtiest, nastiest
election campaign in the post-war period.

You evidently haven't followed many American elections. This one, so
far, is notable mostly for its blandness.

Actually, most of teh Presidential Campaigns of the 20th Century, and
leter, have been, on the whole, rather on the dull side. If we were
to go back to the 19th Century...
"Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa?"
"Gone to the White House! Haw! Haw! Haw!"

A Harrison campaign slogan used against Grover Cleveland, when it was
discovered that he had supported a child born out of wedlock.

It rather backfired, though. Rather than duck the issue, Clevelan
scknowledged the action, pointed out that out of the 4 or 5 likely
candidates for Paternity in this case, (Every generation thinks that
they were the ones to discover sex, or at least improve on it) he was
in the best position to provide support, and cheerfully did so.
Instead of being covered in mud, he came across as a man of honor who
was willing to deal with teh consequences of his actions.

Then there was the Douglas/Lincoln election of 1860... We all know
what a lovefest that turned out to be,

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Pete Stickney
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bad measures. -- Daniel Webster