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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
Story by Mac Daniel in the Boston Globe today states that an F-15 fighter
jet, which was escorting Air Force One (President Bush was in Manchester, NH), had to intercept a 1979 Beechcraft Skipper Plane which was flying in the restricted airspace. According to the article, the pilot didn't realize that the airspace over Manchester airport was restricted due to the president's arrival. My question to you folks: How does the F-15 get the pilot's attention? And safely direct the plane to land? According to the article, the F-15 pilots "did not have to fire flares to get the pilot's attention." At the same time, the F-15 was dispatched because "air traffic controllers were unable to make contact with the pilot by radio." The article doesn't state how the F-15 was able to get the plane to land, other than this sentence: "The jet escorted the plane out of the secure zone..." I'm picturing a gigantic bullhorn, but even more pressing to me is can the F-15 fly slow enough to "direct" this smaller plane? Eager to hear some ideas here! Thanks! Article he http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/02/09/4 _planes_violate_secure_airspace_1_forced_to_land/ -- Rick (www.rickumali.com) Umali |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
Here's a link to a Pilot Intercept Procedures card from AOPA.
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/intercept.pdf If you are a pilot, it is a good idea to become familiar with these procedures, or at least have the card in the cockpit. These TFRs pop up all the time. Those F15 pilots are good, slowing down to the speed of a C152..... |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
I'm picturing a gigantic bullhorn, but even more pressing to me is can the F-15 fly slow enough to "direct" this smaller plane?
There are established intercept procedures for GA aircraft. IIRC the jet would pull alongside the interceptee and try to contact on 121.5 or use hand signals. My guess is the stall speed for an F-15 is probably close to the Skipper's cruise speed, but F-16s have been used to intercept slow flying GA planes so I figure it shouldn't be too hard for the F-15. |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
Rick Umali wrote:
Story by Mac Daniel in the Boston Globe today states that an F-15 fighter jet, which was escorting Air Force One (President Bush was in Manchester, NH), had to intercept a 1979 Beechcraft Skipper Plane which was flying in the restricted airspace. According to the article, the pilot didn't realize that the airspace over Manchester airport was restricted due to the president's arrival. My question to you folks: How does the F-15 get the pilot's attention? And safely direct the plane to land? According to the article, the F-15 pilots "did not have to fire flares to get the pilot's attention." At the same time, the F-15 was dispatched because "air traffic controllers were unable to make contact with the pilot by radio." The article doesn't state how the F-15 was able to get the plane to land, other than this sentence: "The jet escorted the plane out of the secure zone..." I'm picturing a gigantic bullhorn, but even more pressing to me is can the F-15 fly slow enough to "direct" this smaller plane? Eager to hear some ideas here! Thanks! Article he http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/02/09/4 _planes_violate_secure_airspace_1_forced_to_land/ I believe the intercept process is described in the AIM. |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
I suspect gear and flaps down speed of a F15 to be around 110 or 120 knots. I
wonder if with the thrust to weight ratio if he could nose up and power up and hold a much lower grd speed without altitude gain? Any former F15 pilots out there have the answer? Ron Gardner Rick Umali wrote: Story by Mac Daniel in the Boston Globe today states that an F-15 fighter jet, which was escorting Air Force One (President Bush was in Manchester, NH), had to intercept a 1979 Beechcraft Skipper Plane which was flying in the restricted airspace. According to the article, the pilot didn't realize that the airspace over Manchester airport was restricted due to the president's arrival. My question to you folks: How does the F-15 get the pilot's attention? And safely direct the plane to land? According to the article, the F-15 pilots "did not have to fire flares to get the pilot's attention." At the same time, the F-15 was dispatched because "air traffic controllers were unable to make contact with the pilot by radio." The article doesn't state how the F-15 was able to get the plane to land, other than this sentence: "The jet escorted the plane out of the secure zone..." I'm picturing a gigantic bullhorn, but even more pressing to me is can the F-15 fly slow enough to "direct" this smaller plane? Eager to hear some ideas here! Thanks! Article he http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/02/09/4 _planes_violate_secure_airspace_1_forced_to_land/ -- Rick (www.rickumali.com) Umali |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
Do F-15s and 16s have VHF radios now? Back when I worked on F-4Cs and Es
all we had was UHF, and the F-15s and F-16s I got to look at and sit in likewise only had UHF. I was pretty annoyed with the news media for criticizing the Russian fighter pilots that shot down Korean Airlines 007 for not trying to contact the 747 with their radios. At the time our fighters couldn't have contacted the KAL jet either. Not that that excuses the Russians for shooting down the airliner. Scott Wilson |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
"Ronald Gardner" wrote I suspect gear and flaps down speed of a F15 to be around 110 or 120 knots. I wonder if with the thrust to weight ratio if he could nose up and power up and hold a much lower grd speed without altitude gain? Any former F15 pilots out there have the answer? I have seen FA-18's "hang it on the prop" before; I'm sure F-15 pilots are "almost" as good! g -- Jim in NC |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
I have had the opportunity in the past to intercept some private planes in
restricted areas in the back of F-16's, and the goals of the fighters are to provide mutual support, so the intruder is always kept in sight. Also, F-16's have VHF radios as well, so they can communicate on VHF guard if needed. They will not fly as slowly as a Beech skipper, and even 160k is pretty slow. Generally, being cut off by an F-16 should get the pilot's attention. |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
wrote in message oups.com... I'm picturing a gigantic bullhorn, but even more pressing to me is can the F-15 fly slow enough to "direct" this smaller plane? There are established intercept procedures for GA aircraft. IIRC the jet would pull alongside the interceptee and try to contact on 121.5 or use hand signals. snip The intercepting aircraft should rock its wings, and if at night flash the navigation lights. The intercepting aircraft then should initiate a slow turn, normally to the left to the desired heading to egress the area. The intercepted aircraft should acknowledge by rocking its wings in return and follow while contacting ATC on 121.5 and squawking 7700. If the interceptor does a quick climbing =90 degree turn without crossing the interceptee's, (is that a word?) flight path you can proceed. Rock your wings to acknowledge. If the interceptor circles an airport and lowers his gear he is telling you to land there. He'll turn on his landing light if it is night time. Source: AOPA Intercept card. I carry one of these in my flight bag. After this discussion, I think I'll put another one in my map pocket. Surely I'll be able to find one of them. : ' ) Joe Schneider N8437R ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:13:11 -0500, Ronald Gardner
wrote in :: I suspect gear and flaps down speed of a F15 to be around 110 or 120 knots. Unfortunately, that doesn't prevent F-15s from endangering the public by exceeding the 250 knot speed limit below 10,000'. |
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