NBC news stupidity

"B2431" wrote:
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How far were they prepared to go? If they had displayed the weapons
in flight
to prove they could do it it would be just as criminal, in my
opinion, as
telling a stewardess in flight you have a bomb even if you didn't.

The are federal criminal laws which apply to air carrier and what is a
weapon, and they apply to media doing undercover stunts. I know of no
criminal law which says you cannot have a utility knife on board a
charter aircraft.

This flight could even have been Part 91. Is it now OK for some
do-gooder to observe a passenger of ours who looks Middle Eastern and
has an apparent large knife and odd stuff to put in the aircraft, and
call the police? Because he appears to the citizen not to be known to
you.

If you say OK, they'll come out and ask a few questions and everything
will be cool. But what if they surround you and your friend with
drawn weapons?

I'm not defending what NBC did, nor a big fan of the ACLU, and the FBO
acted laudably. But unless there's a criminal law violated here, this
incident shouldn't sound all that good to us pilots.

Fred F.

Yep,

I think dem dar be sum sort of communist sympathizerz. Just Shoot'em.

Seriously, I hope they do through the book at them, and pull their press
passes permanently as a term of probation. A large civil fine would also be
appropriate. I would like to see what NBC does with these guys if we can
put them into a position wherre they can't do their jobs due to court
order. Either NBC is out money to keep them around uselessly, or they fire
them and all the other reporters get the idea that these stupid stunts ARE
stupid.






"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:18:54 GMT, "Cy Galley"
wrote:

Maybe, just maybe they will treat them like any one else trying the
same stunt. They had potential weapons and could easily be
infiltrators into the stations.

They should be held with no bail on federal charges, and taken to
court. Let the network defend them and if necessary pay the fines and
let the bosses serve the time as accomplices for planning the jobs.

I agree with the "throw the book at them". They certainly would were
it some student or individual trying to show a weakness in the system.
Besides any terrorist could claim they were just trying to expose any
weaknesses.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Pulling out knives or weapons during a flight and acting in a threatening
manner is a good way to get yourself killed. I would rather destroy the
plane than let a terrorist have it. Once they start acting like terrorists,
they're done. Any terrorist could later claim that he is really a reporter.

Just like an NBC reporter, bringing a Leatherman tool to a gunfight.

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...

I agree with the "throw the book at them".

Gitmo??

Rich "Off with their heads!" S.

C J Campbell wrote:
Pulling out knives or weapons during a flight and acting in a threatening
manner is a good way to get yourself killed. I would rather destroy the
plane than let a terrorist have it. Once they start acting like terrorists,
they're done. Any terrorist could later claim that he is really a reporter.

Just like an NBC reporter, bringing a Leatherman tool to a gunfight.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

You'd think they'd kneaux better than to mess with St. Louis rotor
jockies...

TaxSrv wrote:

"B2431" wrote:

...
How far were they prepared to go? If they had displayed the weapons

in flight

to prove they could do it it would be just as criminal, in my

opinion, as

telling a stewardess in flight you have a bomb even if you didn't.


The are federal criminal laws which apply to air carrier and what is a
weapon, and they apply to media doing undercover stunts. I know of no
criminal law which says you cannot have a utility knife on board a
charter aircraft.

This flight could even have been Part 91. Is it now OK for some
do-gooder to observe a passenger of ours who looks Middle Eastern and
has an apparent large knife and odd stuff to put in the aircraft, and
call the police? Because he appears to the citizen not to be known to
you.

It has always been OK to report suspicious behavior.


If you say OK, they'll come out and ask a few questions and everything
will be cool. But what if they surround you and your friend with
drawn weapons?

Well, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'd suggest that you make no quick
moves towards your pockets and that you do EXACTLY what they tell you to
do. Is this really that hard to figure out?


I'm not defending what NBC did, nor a big fan of the ACLU, and the FBO
acted laudably. But unless there's a criminal law violated here, this
incident shouldn't sound all that good to us pilots.

Well, it sounds fantastic to this pilot.


Matt

Hold them as detainees...no lawyer, no book, no freedom...

--
Dan D.
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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"Roger Halstead" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:18:54 GMT, "Cy Galley"
wrote:

Maybe, just maybe they will treat them like any one else trying the
same stunt. They had potential weapons and could easily be
infiltrators into the stations.

They should be held with no bail on federal charges, and taken to
court. Let the network defend them and if necessary pay the fines and
let the bosses serve the time as accomplices for planning the jobs.

I agree with the "throw the book at them". They certainly would were
it some student or individual trying to show a weakness in the system.
Besides any terrorist could claim they were just trying to expose any
weaknesses.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

(B2431) wrote:

Let's take this out of aviation for a moment. If you were at a stoplight and
some guy opened your passenger door and hopped in then produced a box cutter
and said "Hi, I'm from NBC and I just proved how easy it is to car jack" you
would still feel threatened.

I just had a mental picture of the driver saying "Hi, I'm from the NRA
and I just proved how easy it is for this here 9mm to blow a few nice
holes in a carjacker... sorry about the shirt and all..."

Mark Hickey

From: Mark Hickey
Date: 8/13/2004 5:07 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

(B2431) wrote:

Let's take this out of aviation for a moment. If you were at a stoplight
and
some guy opened your passenger door and hopped in then produced a box cutter
and said "Hi, I'm from NBC and I just proved how easy it is to car jack" you
would still feel threatened.

I just had a mental picture of the driver saying "Hi, I'm from the NRA
and I just proved how easy it is for this here 9mm to blow a few nice
holes in a carjacker... sorry about the shirt and all..."

Mark Hickey

9mm? You heathen!! I carry a 45.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

These fools apparently did not know that helicopter skyjacking has
already been tried in Saint Louis a few years ago. Apparently some
people there remember this.
A skyjacker pulled a gun on Allen Barklage and wanted him to land a
helicopter in a prison yard to make a pickup. Allen shot the
skyjacker dead.
How he did it is amazing since helicopters are an unstable beast and
will try to go inverted and kill you in short order as soon as you
turn loose of the cyclic.
I think that the judge should make an example out of these people and
their bosses so they do not try to skyjack an aircraft again. Just
because ther are the "PRESS" does not mean they are above the law.
John

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:43:16 -0500, Darrel Toepfer
wrote:

C J Campbell wrote:
Pulling out knives or weapons during a flight and acting in a threatening
manner is a good way to get yourself killed. I would rather destroy the
plane than let a terrorist have it. Once they start acting like terrorists,
they're done. Any terrorist could later claim that he is really a reporter.

Just like an NBC reporter, bringing a Leatherman tool to a gunfight.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

You'd think they'd kneaux better than to mess with St. Louis rotor
jockies...