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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"ian maclure" wrote in message news Are you saying that the US isn't a democracy? Its a Republic. It's a republic on paper, a democracy in fact. Hardly. We still elect representatives to do our theft for us. Thus, we are still a republic. |
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Ace wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:13:48 -0400, "sanjian" wrote: Ace wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:02:24 -0400, "Leslie Swartz" wrote: So, by your own admission, in *The Great Democracy*, some people's votes count, others don't? When did this great Republic turn into a democracy??? Are you saying that the US isn't a democracy? That's exactly what I'm saying. |
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"sanjian" wrote
The big question is why we talk about the popular vote as if it's actually fully counted. The big answer is that it is about as fully counted as the census. |
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Ace wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:19 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: But Bush won more states and more counties than Gore. So some people's votes ate worth more than other's? Since my vote, and those of many in the military weren't counted, that would seem to be the case. The current laws in most states allow for absentee ballots to be discarded if there are fewer ballots than the margin by which either candidate wins the state. |
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"sanjian" wrote
Are you saying that the US isn't a democracy? That's exactly what I'm saying. What do you call a political system that has a Legislature, a Judiciary, and an Executive branch of government? |
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Ace wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:17:11 -0400, "sanjian" wrote: Ace wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:19:23 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: It is following the law to adhere to the Constitution. Conservatives, by definition, do that. Liberals do not. Oh, I see. Those whose views you don't believe in don't adhere to the law!? No, those who do not follow the law do not have views I believe in. So you are saying that four of the Supreme Court Judges do not follow the law? Yep. Now, here's a bit of logic for you (if you can handle it). Five of the justices ruled one way. Four ruled the exact opposite way. By definition, one of the two sides ruled against the constitution. All that's left is to decide which one (which has been shown to be those ruling in favor of the Fla Supreme Court). That's the problem with assuming the infallability of public officials... when they disagree, it's pretty clear that they're fallable. |
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Leslie Swartz wrote:
Yes, evidence suggests that it is more likely that the ballots thrown out (primarily, but not exclusively, absentee ballots) would have trended strongly republican or at least conservative. However, since they weren't counted, we can never know for certain. Past studies suggest that ~80% of absentee ballots tossed out would have gone for Bush. And since the system grossly undercounts votes for one candidate, it casts even more doubt apon the validity of the "popular vote." |
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"ian maclure" wrote: [snip] The King granted the US its independence in Paris on 3rd September 1783. Sorry, wrong. The king granted nothing, he only admitted to the facts; he no longer had any realistic say in the issue. |
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D. Strang wrote:
"sanjian" wrote Are you saying that the US isn't a democracy? That's exactly what I'm saying. What do you call a political system that has a Legislature, a Judiciary, and an Executive branch of government? Not necessarily a democracy. If a dictatorial executive appoints his legislature (or they come from the nobility) and Judiciary, does that make it a democracy? A democracy is a form of government where the people make the laws. A democratic government is one where the power is derived from the people. Seperation of powers has nothing to do with a democratic govenrment, other than the fact that it is a common feature, much in the same way that air bags are common features in cars. |
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