FAA shares blame also

"Jose" wrote in message
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So, ah, where was FAA Air Traffic control

ATC is poorly named. Pilots =control= airplanes. Air traffic "control"
talks to pilots who are listening, and listens to pilots who are talking
(to them). However they do not have their hand on the yoke.

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iceman wrote:
So, ah, where was FAA Air Traffic control during this
debacle??? Real warm fuzzy knowing a 150 can just wander in
the most restricted airspace on Earth with no bells and
whistles before it was 3 miles away from the White House. It
should have been noticed 60 miles out not 3.

Got to be an Air Traffic screw up also



Doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, separating and sequencing
aircraft. Our ATC system does not keep track of every VFR aircraft not on
flight following, nor do we want it to. They were watching, attempting to
contact, and intercepting that plane long before 3 miles out. 3 miles is
where they finally turned west.


Well, what about that ? If an area is going to lead to shooting aircraft
down, shouldn't that at least be class C ?

OtisWinslow wrote:
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !

OtisWinslow wrote in message ...
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint set
to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.

On Sun, 15 May 2005 16:49:03 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Bob Gardner wrote:

Everyone in the general aviation community takes a hit when
someone refuses to take advantage of the many sources of information
available for flight planning.

Several postings on this topic have mentioned, in various forms, the idea of
gathering information before a flight. What puzzles me is what relevance
this has to this particular case. It's not as if the ADIZ had changed in
size recently, is it?

If not: how could a pilot on the east coast *not* be aware of the ADIZ?

I think we just saw a good example.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

- Andrew

On Sun, 15 May 2005 16:53:46 -0600, Newps wrote:


Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........

I think I actually understood that.


Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
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"SolarSapien" wrote in message
.. .
NOT ONE DAMN AIRCRAFT SHOULD BE WITHIN 60 miles of Washington without a
transponder and being tracked from the
Ground or 0 feet to 50,000 feet

PERIOD

You open canopy fly like the wind no radio bi-plane era boy's need to join
the 21st century

If ya wanna fly without any AT instructions or squawking move to New
Mexico or Iowa. VFR through DC airspace?? STUPID

No room for joy flying in sensitive airspace like DC

The FAA SHOULD have been tracking that aircraft 60 miles out
PERIOD

What if that 150 was 2 Arabs' with a plane full of uranium isotope????

60 miles out every damn object should be squawking and tagged on a radar
scope. The AT people make over 6 figures a year.

DO YOUR F&*^ Job FAA TRACK AND SEQUENCE AIRCRAFT

The chaos in DC last week was FAA breakdown and a terrible security
procedure for aircraft intercept. The days of doing what you want VFR in a
puddle hopper in sensitive airspace is OVER

DEAL WITH IT


Bob Gardner wrote:
It was the pilot's duty to file a flight plan and contact ATC; ATC had no
duty, and indeed did not have the ability, to contact the pilot without
knowing which frequency, if any, the pilot was listening to. It's pretty
apparent that he was not using his radio at all.

I have nothing but contempt for him, and cheer any move to revoke his
certificate. Everyone in the general aviation community takes a hit when
someone refuses to take advantage of the many sources of information
available for flight planning.

Bob Gardner


Bob Gardner

"SolarSapien" wrote in message
.. .

So, ah, where was FAA Air Traffic control during this debacle??? Real
warm fuzzy knowing a 150 can just wander in the most restricted airspace
on Earth with no bells and whistles before it was 3 miles away from the
White House. It should have been noticed 60 miles out not 3.

Got to be an Air Traffic screw up also



Finally, when the Cessna came within three miles of the White House --
just a few minutes flying time -- it altered course.

After landing in Frederick, the pilot and student pilot were handcuffed
and questioned before being released. Authorities said the two had become
lost.

Sheaffer and Martin have not been available for comment.

Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before
operating an aircraft, the Post reported, citing FAA records. He failed
to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, and he didn't check
the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace
restrictions.

Greg Martin, the FAA spokesman, would not confirm the Post's account.

Ted wrote:

OtisWinslow wrote in message ...
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint set
to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.

A guy age 69 who still flys (well, until recently) perhaps could afford a
Garmin 196 or 296, perhaps learn how to use it, have a current database, and
have a really good shot of staying out of ugly airspace. ~

wrote in message ...


Ted wrote:

OtisWinslow wrote in message ...
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint
set
to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.

A guy age 69 who still flys (well, until recently) perhaps could afford a
Garmin 196 or 296, perhaps learn how to use it, have a current database,
and
have a really good shot of staying out of ugly airspace. ~

I keep thinking of this 80 year old "geezer"...doing single pilot Cessna
Citation and handling an emergency that would put many of us to shame.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...24X01192&key=1


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I keep thinking of this 80 year old "geezer"...doing single pilot Cessna
Citation and handling an emergency that would put many of us to shame.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...24X01192&key=1

I wonder why this pilot didn't pull the circuit breaker or turn the
electric trim off.

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