Why We Lost The Vietnam War

"Spiv" wrote in message
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The ng. Who do you think?


The ng seems to understand, it's just you that does not.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Trouble is that the Barabazon committee decided not to proceed
with the type III declaring it unimportant so while Bristol
had indeed done some design studies no aircraft was actually
produced.

The Britannia came from 111.


Repetition of an error doesnt make it any less wrong.

The Britannia was no error.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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The ng. Who do you think?


The ng seems to understand, it's just you that does not.

What do they understand?

"Spiv" wrote in message
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What do they understand?


Comet, Brabazon, Britannia, 707, etc.

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I don't think

That is the first valid statement I've seen you make.

the US had a Viscount equiv, selling very well in the USA.
Only the British and French had small jet commuter planes at one point and
the first executive jet was the HS 125.

No, the first Business Jet ( Lockheed JetStar ) was being prepared for
delivery to its first commercial customer (delivered late 1961) before de
Havilland announced the development of the DH 125 (later HS 125) in February
1961.

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Two highly successful one were mentioned. Also there was Concorde and
small
high winged BAe hopper jet, which sold very well. I have used that in
Africa a lot.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA

BAE didnt even bloody exist during the tenure of the Brabazon committee
and the BAE 146 first flew in 1982, over 30 years after its demise.

The debate moved on. Duh.

More like you popped smoke & tried to displace.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

"Spiv" wrote in message
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The UK is not tiny. Others are much bigger, but the UK is "not" small.


Depends on your point of view. The UK is a bit smaller than the state of
Oregon, and there are eight US states larger than Oregon. From a US
perspective, the UK is small.



Also the UK is not full of useless deserts,


Nor is the US.

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What strange logic. How would they know what the problems were until
the Comet investigation? Were they good guessers?


They were better engineers, and they weren't the only ones that knew de
Havilland designed a poor structure. The RAE and BOAC both expressed their
concerns to de Havilland well before the Comet entered service.

de Havilland had very little experience with all-metal aircraft and none at
all with large pressurized airframes, Boeing had more than any other
manufacturer in the world. de Havilland's first all-metal aircraft was the
DH-95 Flamingo, a small prewar twin-engined transport, only sixteen were
built. Their second was the DH-104 Dove, another small twin-engined
transport. It would be quite successful but it hadn't even entered service
by the Comet's first flight.



This is what you said
"They avoided the Comet's problems even before the Comet's problems
surfaced." So they knew the problems before the Comet was built eh?
The investigation uncovered points that were unknown to science
beforehand in metallurgy.


You make it sound like metal fatigue was first discovered via the Comet's
structural problems. Not so!

The Comet was the star of the 1949 Farnborough show, but during a flight
there a fuselage panel buckled. The skin was too damn thin. The RAE was
quite concerned about fatigue. de havilland's chief engineer, Ronald Bishop,
was asked to test for fatigue, but he did not. In November 1951 the
Ministry of Supply threatened to stop the project because of continuing
concerns over metal fatigue, and BOAC was expressing concerns as well. It
was decided that testing would be carried out after the aircraft entered
service. Unknowingly, BOAC and the Comet's crew and passengers would become
test subjects.

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The Britannia derived from No. 111.


The Brabazon and Britannia were different aircraft.



Please read again.


That won't change it.



Not in the early to mid 50s they never. The Viscount was a big seller in
the US, so was the BAC 1-11.


The stretched Viscounts sold well in the US, the BAC One-Eleven was not a
turboprop.

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But not all the points together.


Irrelevant.