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Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?



 
 
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Old May 4th 07, 06:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To
Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?


SANTA MONICA VOTES TO RESTRICT RUNWAY DESPITE FAA
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195115)
City commissioners in Santa Monica, Calif., voted last week to cordon
off nearly 1,200 feet of a runway at the Santa Monica Airport, despite
assertions from FAA officials that such restrictions would not be
allowed. The move is the latest effort from the city to restrict jet
traffic. The airport has become increasingly popular over the last two
decades, much to the dismay of neighbors. A few hundred residents and
politicians rallied at the airport
(http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...-pe-california)
recently to protest noise and air pollution. The new resolution would
block 600 feet at each end of the 5,000-foot runway as a "safety
area." Commission vice-chair Susan Hartley told The Lookout News
(http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...AA_Warning.htm)
she voted for the measure because "it will protect Los Angeles and
Santa Monica residents." FAA officials have told the commission that
any action that would restrict access is "not acceptable."
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195115
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Old May 4th 07, 07:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert M. Gary
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On May 4, 10:20 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To
Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?

SANTA MONICA VOTES TO RESTRICT RUNWAY DESPITE FAA
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195115)
City commissioners in Santa Monica, Calif., voted last week to cordon
off nearly 1,200 feet of a runway at the Santa Monica Airport, despite
assertions from FAA officials that such restrictions would not be
allowed. The move is the latest effort from the city to restrict jet
traffic. The airport has become increasingly popular over the last two
decades, much to the dismay of neighbors. A few hundred residents and
politicians rallied at the airport
(http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...me-airport22ap...)
recently to protest noise and air pollution. The new resolution would
block 600 feet at each end of the 5,000-foot runway as a "safety
area." Commission vice-chair Susan Hartley told The Lookout News
(http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...s/News-2007/Ma...)
she voted for the measure because "it will protect Los Angeles and
Santa Monica residents." FAA officials have told the commission that
any action that would restrict access is "not acceptable."http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/859-full.html#195115


I was there last week. Mostly jets at the FBO, although a few
KingAirs.

-Robert

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Old May 4th 07, 08:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Guy Elden Jr
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The more I think about how the world works the more I realize how
pointless these "who came first" arguments are. The only thing that
matters is who votes for the commissioners, who contributes money to
their campaigns, and who shows up and actually makes their voices
heard at the meetings. Unfortunately at this point in time general
aviation is on the decline, so more and more of these little battles
are going to be lost simply because there aren't enough pilots or GA
advocates out there to be heard.

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Old May 4th 07, 08:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?

On 4 May 2007 12:17:46 -0700, Guy Elden Jr wrote
in .com:

The more I think about how the world works the more I realize how
pointless these "who came first" arguments are. The only thing that
matters is who votes for the commissioners, who contributes money to
their campaigns, and who shows up and actually makes their voices
heard at the meetings.


Hopefully, in this case the FAA's jurisdiction over the airport will
prevail.

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Old May 4th 07, 09:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message
oups.com...
The more I think about how the world works the more I realize how
pointless these "who came first" arguments are. The only thing that
matters is who votes for the commissioners, who contributes money to
their campaigns, and who shows up and actually makes their voices
heard at the meetings.


If my experience is any indicator, that last one doesn't matter so much as
the one prior.

I've been to plenty of planning meetings, zoning hearings, city council
stuff, school boards, and it's quite evident that decision has been made
before anyone enter the room. It's also obvious that no logic or reason is
going to change their minds.

Unfortunately at this point in time general
aviation is on the decline, so more and more of these little battles
are going to be lost simply because there aren't enough pilots or GA
advocates out there to be heard.


Money talks.



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Old May 4th 07, 09:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
ZikZak
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It all makes about as much sense as...

SANTA MONICA VOTES TO RESTRICT INTERSTATE 405 DESPITE DOT
City commissioners in Santa Monica, Calif., voted last week to cordon
off two lanes of a traffic on the San Diego Freeway, despite
assertions from DOT officials that such restrictions would not be
allowed. The move is the latest effort from the city to restrict
commuter traffic. The freeway has become increasingly popular over the
last two decades, much to the dismay of neighbors. A few hundred
residents and politicians rallied at the freeway recently to protest
noise and air pollution. Commission vice-chair Susan Hartley told The
Lookout News she voted for the measure because "it will protect Los
Angeles and Santa Monica residents." DOT officials have told the
commission that any action that would restrict access is "not
acceptable."




..... *sigh*

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Old May 4th 07, 11:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Vic Baron
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To
Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?



Sadly it usually amounts to who complains the loudest and who has the most
$$$.


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Old May 5th 07, 03:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Orval Fairbairn
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In article ,
"Vic Baron" wrote:

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To
Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?



Sadly it usually amounts to who complains the loudest and who has the most
$$$.


In Santa monica you have a devil's mix of socialists, who want to punish
the "privileged rich people," developers, who are the biggest campaign
contributors and self-styled environmentalists running the show.

You do have tools (California Pilot PAC for instance) sponsored by
California Pilots' Assn. and a local airport assn.
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Old May 5th 07, 07:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Ron
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On Sat, 05 May 2007 02:55:15 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:

In article ,
"Vic Baron" wrote:

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To
Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?



Sadly it usually amounts to who complains the loudest and who has the most
$$$.


In Santa monica you have a devil's mix of socialists, who want to punish
the "privileged rich people," developers, who are the biggest campaign
contributors and self-styled environmentalists running the show.

You do have tools (California Pilot PAC for instance) sponsored by
California Pilots' Assn. and a local airport assn.


It's known as the Peoples Republic of Santa Monica for good reason.

Ron Kelley

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Old May 5th 07, 07:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Larry Dighera writes:

Which Came First, the Santa Monica Airport, Or Those Who Chose To
Build Their Homes Adjacent To It?


Usually airports come first, and they bring in traffic that helps a city to
grow, and then people build next to the airport, and then they complain about
the very thing that helped them to have a city in the first place.

Maybe some of these people complaining should take a flight into the airport
with the runways blocked and see how they feel about it then. After they
change into dry underwear, they might be more willing to give safety priority
over their own selfishness.

Is there any airport anywhere with _arriviste_ neighbors who _don't_ complain
about the noise?

Does anyone remember how much noisier airports used to be?

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