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Old April 2nd 08, 09:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic


Here's a case of national proportions to watch:


FAA CHALLENGES SANTA MONICA JET BAN
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197507)
Despite repeated warnings from the FAA that it has no intention of
letting Santa Monica get away with it, the city council there has
effectively shortened the single runway at Santa Monica Airport by
declaring stretches of pavement at each end as runway safety areas
(RSAs). That will effectively shorten the runway to the point
where Category C (approach speed of greater than 120 knots) and
larger aircraft won't be able to use the runway. According to the
city, that will cut 9,000 operations a year at the airport. Now,
SMO doesn't have RSAs and the FAA normally encourages and even
mandates

(http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari)
RSAs at other airports but there's plenty of wiggle room in
determining how much safety is practical.
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Old April 2nd 08, 04:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck[_2_]
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FAA CHALLENGES SANTA MONICA JET BAN
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197507)


Let's hope the FAA has grown longer fangs since King Daley dusted them in
Chicago.
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Old April 2nd 08, 04:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert M. Gary
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

On Apr 2, 1:41*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
Here's a case of national proportions to watch:

* * FAA CHALLENGES SANTA MONICA JET BAN


I just can't imagine that this will stand. Most of the planes coming
and going at SMO are jets. SMO is the airport used by most of the
Hollywood types. I've been to the FBO there when they've had jets
waiting in line just to enter the FBO ramp.

-Robert
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Old April 2nd 08, 06:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

Larry Dighera writes:

Despite repeated warnings from the FAA that it has no intention of
letting Santa Monica get away with it ...


Yeah, the FAA sure showed the mayor of Chicago who's boss, didn't it?
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Old April 2nd 08, 07:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

[Default] On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

I just can't imagine that this will stand.


While I would suppose the FAA has final authority over how airports
are designed, the city's action does seem to put FAA in an awkward
position of removing "safety enhancements." I know the FAA is
supposed to conduct annual airport audits. Presumably, if issues are
discovered, the airport management/owner(s) are required to correct
them, or face fines or other action.

Have you any idea of the current state of jet operations at KSMO? Are
the jets using the safety areas for operations (thus ignoring the
city's unauthorized changes), or are jets going elsewhere?

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Old April 2nd 08, 07:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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[Default] On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:40:46 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Larry Dighera writes:

Despite repeated warnings from the FAA that it has no intention of
letting Santa Monica get away with it ...


Yeah, the FAA sure showed the mayor of Chicago who's boss, didn't it?


It would seem that the "fix was in" in that case, although FAA did
impose the maximum fines authorized at the time.
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Old April 2nd 08, 08:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Despite repeated warnings from the FAA that it has no intention of
letting Santa Monica get away with it ...


Yeah, the FAA sure showed the mayor of Chicago who's boss, didn't it?


You don't fly snd you have no idea of what you're talking about.



Bertie
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Old April 3rd 08, 01:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Benjamin Dover
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Larry Dighera writes:

Despite repeated warnings from the FAA that it has no intention of
letting Santa Monica get away with it ...


Yeah, the FAA sure showed the mayor of Chicago who's boss, didn't it?


Mixi, you are one dumb mother ****er. You are just a waste of good
oxygen.

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Old April 3rd 08, 05:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Stella Starr
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

Larry Dighera wrote:


FAA CHALLENGES SANTA MONICA JET BAN
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197507)
Despite repeated warnings from the FAA that it has no intention of
letting Santa Monica get away with it, the city council there has
effectively shortened the single runway at Santa Monica Airport by
declaring stretches of pavement at each end as runway safety areas
(RSAs). That will effectively shorten the runway to the point
where Category C (approach speed of greater than 120 knots) and
larger aircraft won't be able to use the runway.


If you go look at the local paper (it takes a while to load, as they're
back in the 20th century and put a PDF of the thing on their website)
you'll note a couple interesting things, including a number of runway
overrun accidents in recent years. And after the jump (when the story's
continued to page 17) the aerial photo shows the city snuggled right up
around the landing strip, a clear example of bad metro development.

http://www.smdp.com/site/archives/032908.pdf

The story tells of a proposal to buy up homes to give a little safety
room around the airport, but a lot of homeowners resist the idea, which
would be pretty spendy (California real estate -- ya THINK?!) and kind
of after the fact.

We need more property manager expertise in today's airport managers.
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Old April 3rd 08, 06:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Alan[_6_]
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Default Santa Monica Airport Bans Jet Traffic

In article Larry Dighera writes:

Here's a case of national proportions to watch:


FAA CHALLENGES SANTA MONICA JET BAN



Well, Santa Monica lost about 30 years ago. I am sure they have been
trying to figure a way to ban jets ever since then.

There used to be a huge "NO JETS" on the sloping ground between Bundy
Drive and the approach end of runway 21.

Hopefully the FAA will insist that the city return money used on airport
improvements, or some similar action to convince the city of the error of
its ways.

Alan
 




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