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T.Roger-
I've spent a lot of time in a new Tiger over the past few months, and would be glad to set up a demo ride if you're in the Palm Beach area this winter. Give me a call during business hours at 561.478.1098. I've only been in a Cirrus SR22 once, and it's a trip, but very difficult to insure without advanced ratings (expect close to $10,000 per year for ins.). The 180HP Cessna is nice, but my vote is on the Tiger. Not only is it a ton of fun to fly, it looks very tight and sporty, unlike the 'stationwagon in the air' .... I have a bunch of photos and some contact info available online at: http://palmbeachphoto.com/tiger/ The next aircraft that's available is January 05, but your deposit qualifies you for the tax break, as long as you make the purchase in 2004. Regards, Marty from Sunny South Florida ps. where are you located ? "tony roberts" wrote in message news:nospam-CDC431.19293301122004@shawnews... If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy. They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some cash. Which Cirrus were you thinking of? It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000 hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and watch Tony In article , "T.Roger" wrote: I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax write-off about to expire at year end. I've been at this since August. But, hell, they're not making it easy. All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll find out if you love me. So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August. I thought GA was hurting; I guess not. I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me to buy because they don't seem interested in my business. -- Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE |
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Yes but with real estate, at least, you can go to an open house!!!
"Dan Engleman" wrote in message ... "T.Roger" wrote in message . com... I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax write-off about to expire at year end./// I've been at this since August. But, hell, they're not making it easy. Hey T. Roger, I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run into the same thing. In order to look at a property you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash. So I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit application, etc. There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft dealers don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy something, but don't have the resourses. You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to make a 200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't have any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases. Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them????? Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a rock star, professional athlete, etc. :-) Good luck, Dan |
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Early on, I offered the east-coast Tiger rep to pay for fuel. It didn't
persuade him. "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... "T.Roger" wrote: All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned planes before I buy. Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy to demo a new plane for about $100. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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Ah, but the glass, the interior and the parachute!!!
"tony roberts" wrote in message news:nospam-CDC431.19293301122004@shawnews... If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy. They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some cash. Which Cirrus were you thinking of? It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000 hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and watch Tony In article , "T.Roger" wrote: I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax write-off about to expire at year end. I've been at this since August. But, hell, they're not making it easy. All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll find out if you love me. So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August. I thought GA was hurting; I guess not. I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me to buy because they don't seem interested in my business. -- Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE |
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I'm analogizing buying a plane with buying a car. I test-drove my Lexus
before I bought it and I wouldn't have purchased it otherwise. Why in hell would I buy a Piper without a demo? "Steve Foley" wrote in message ... I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income, $25,000 in credit card debt, etc. I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified. There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars". I'm sure Piper, Cirrus and Tiger think you're another wanabe who wants a free ride in one of their planes. They need some way to weed out the rif-raf, and unfortunately, you're looking alot like rif-raf. "Dan Engleman" wrote in message ... "T.Roger" wrote in message . com... I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax write-off about to expire at year end./// I've been at this since August. But, hell, they're not making it easy. Hey T. Roger, I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run into the same thing. In order to look at a property you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash. So I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit application, etc. There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft dealers don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy something, but don't have the resourses. You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to make a 200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't have any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases. Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them????? Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a rock star, professional athlete, etc. :-) Good luck, Dan |
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A deposit isn't the problem for me. I just don't want to deposit money into
a mystery venture, as the aircraft sellers would want me to do. "Dude" wrote in message ... As someone else said, there are plenty of tire kickers asking plane sellers for demo flights. I have seen this happen before, and there is likely something about your approach that is making them think you are not a serious buyer. Also, many insurers balk at student pilots, especially on a Cirrus. At any rate, tell us where you are, or how to contact you and maybe I can help you out. I know a few low people in high places, and would be happy to help you. I went through all sorts of frustration buying my first new plane. I even got stood up for an appointment after traveling halfway across the country to see a plane. Then with barely an apology, they started twisting my arm for a deposit over the phone! OTOH, the guy I bought my plane from was top notch, and I still call him every now and then to say hi. The best and the worst seem to get into aviation, and not that much in between. You do not have to buy the plane buy year end to get bonus depreciation "T.Roger" wrote in message . com... I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax write-off about to expire at year end. I've been at this since August. But, hell, they're not making it easy. All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll find out if you love me. So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August. I thought GA was hurting; I guess not. I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me to buy because they don't seem interested in my business. |
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Where I train there are a few Cirrus' and no New Pipers or Tigers. Cirrus
has a presence because of their successful shares program but I'd need to hook up with the share owners to rent. Not likely. "Ross Oliver" wrote in message ... Why don't you just go rent one for an hour or two? Piper and Cirrus rentals shouldn't be too hard to find. A Tiger might take a little more leg work. Renting with a CFI has the added advantage of counting the time toward "time in type" that your insurer will inevitably require. |
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I'll be at my vacation home in the Ft. Meyers area but not much before
year-end, too late to place an order for the tax break. Thanks for offering. "Marty from Sunny Florida" wrote in message .. . T.Roger- I've spent a lot of time in a new Tiger over the past few months, and would be glad to set up a demo ride if you're in the Palm Beach area this winter. Give me a call during business hours at 561.478.1098. I've only been in a Cirrus SR22 once, and it's a trip, but very difficult to insure without advanced ratings (expect close to $10,000 per year for ins.). The 180HP Cessna is nice, but my vote is on the Tiger. Not only is it a ton of fun to fly, it looks very tight and sporty, unlike the 'stationwagon in the air' ... I have a bunch of photos and some contact info available online at: http://palmbeachphoto.com/tiger/ The next aircraft that's available is January 05, but your deposit qualifies you for the tax break, as long as you make the purchase in 2004. Regards, Marty from Sunny South Florida ps. where are you located ? "tony roberts" wrote in message news:nospam-CDC431.19293301122004@shawnews... If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy. They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some cash. Which Cirrus were you thinking of? It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000 hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and watch Tony In article , "T.Roger" wrote: I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax write-off about to expire at year end. I've been at this since August. But, hell, they're not making it easy. All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll find out if you love me. So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August. I thought GA was hurting; I guess not. I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me to buy because they don't seem interested in my business. -- Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE |
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Would it work to offer to pay for the flight with the condition that your
money be refunded if you bought? |
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"T.Roger" wrote in message . com... Yes but with real estate, at least, you can go to an open house!!! We call those Oshkosh, SnF, etc... KB |
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