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G1000 vs Steam guages initial thoughts...
Jim Macklin wrote: You're missing the point, the G1000 displays some much information in picture form, the pilot WILL almost certainly come to rely on the system to work and stop doing that "basic IFR" thinking. Sort of like pilots forget to check the runway heading. With steam gauges, the pilot is forced to THINK about the navigation situation, with the G1000 thinking is done by the machine. Fair enough, but what is the goal? Is the student "thinking" to second guess the computer or is the student "thinking" in order to handle a situation where both computers shut down? Second guessing the PFD is not as necessary as old gauges because the computer shows a red X for any fault (vs. the slow death roll of the old gauges). However, the student still has 3 steam gauges to look at if he wishes (airspeed, altimeter, attitude). If the student is "thinking" in case the system shuts down, I think the proper answer to that is always to carry a portable GPS when flying IFR. The days of keep track of an emergency heading and time to head towards an airport in IMC are probably gone. Flying against a portable GPS is much safer. That applies equally to steam and glass. A full electrical failure in my steam Mooney is much more likely than in the glass so a 296 sits right on my yoke. -Robert |
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G1000 vs Steam guages initial thoughts...
"Jim Macklin" wrote in news:1_9Kg.6638
$SZ3.4096@dukeread04: You're missing the point, the G1000 displays some much information in picture form, the pilot WILL almost certainly come to rely on the system to work and stop doing that "basic IFR" thinking. Sort of like pilots forget to check the runway heading. With steam gauges, the pilot is forced to THINK about the navigation situation, with the G1000 thinking is done by the machine. The same could pretty much be said for a plane with Steam Guages and any modern full screen GPS... |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:07:38 GMT, Judah wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in news:1_9Kg.6638 $SZ3.4096@dukeread04: You're missing the point, the G1000 displays some much information in picture form, the pilot WILL almost certainly come to rely on the system to work and stop doing that "basic IFR" thinking. Sort of like pilots forget to check the runway heading. With steam gauges, the pilot is forced to THINK about the navigation situation, with the G1000 thinking is done by the machine. The same could pretty much be said for a plane with Steam Guages and any modern full screen GPS... Yup and there are a *lot* of pilots who end up depending on the GPS without realizing it. The same is true for a good autopilot in IFR versus hand flying. If you spend a lot of time in the soup you spend a lot of time on autopilot. Enough time that if it fails it can be a shock. Still, the competent pilot practices hand flying in IFR, flying by map, watch and compass, and flying the back up instruments. I wonder what the percentages are of dependent pilots versus those who stay competent on the backups? Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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"Roger" wrote in message news | On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:07:38 GMT, Judah wrote: | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in news:1_9Kg.6638 | $SZ3.4096@dukeread04: | | You're missing the point, the G1000 displays some much | information in picture form, the pilot WILL almost certainly | come to rely on the system to work and stop doing that | "basic IFR" thinking. Sort of like pilots forget to check | the runway heading. With steam gauges, the pilot is forced | to THINK about the navigation situation, with the G1000 | thinking is done by the machine. | | | The same could pretty much be said for a plane with Steam Guages and any | modern full screen GPS... | | Yup and there are a *lot* of pilots who end up depending on the GPS | without realizing it. The same is true for a good autopilot in IFR | versus hand flying. If you spend a lot of time in the soup you spend | a lot of time on autopilot. Enough time that if it fails it can be a | shock. Still, the competent pilot practices hand flying in IFR, | flying by map, watch and compass, and flying the back up instruments. | | I wonder what the percentages are of dependent pilots versus those who | stay competent on the backups? | | Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) | (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) | www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Higher than it should be [zero percent], probably 20-30%
"Roger" wrote in message news | On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:07:38 GMT, Judah wrote: | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in news:1_9Kg.6638 | $SZ3.4096@dukeread04: | | You're missing the point, the G1000 displays some much | information in picture form, the pilot WILL almost certainly | come to rely on the system to work and stop doing that | "basic IFR" thinking. Sort of like pilots forget to check | the runway heading. With steam gauges, the pilot is forced | to THINK about the navigation situation, with the G1000 | thinking is done by the machine. | | | The same could pretty much be said for a plane with Steam Guages and any | modern full screen GPS... | | Yup and there are a *lot* of pilots who end up depending on the GPS | without realizing it. The same is true for a good autopilot in IFR | versus hand flying. If you spend a lot of time in the soup you spend | a lot of time on autopilot. Enough time that if it fails it can be a | shock. Still, the competent pilot practices hand flying in IFR, | flying by map, watch and compass, and flying the back up instruments. | | I wonder what the percentages are of dependent pilots versus those who | stay competent on the backups? | | Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) | (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) | www.rogerhalstead.com |
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G1000 vs Steam guages initial thoughts...
Judah wrote: "Jim Macklin" wrote in news:1_9Kg.6638 $SZ3.4096@dukeread04: The same could pretty much be said for a plane with Steam Guages and any modern full screen GPS... Sure, and there is nothing wrong with that. Today most pilots would say a moving map is MEL for serious IFR (more than just local approaches). Sure you can fly IFR with a compass and a cat ala the 1930's but who wants to do that. A handheld, self powered, back up moving map GPS (296, etc) should be carried aboard any GA IFR flight. -Robert, CFII |
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
oups.com: Judah wrote: "Jim Macklin" wrote in news:1_9Kg.6638 $SZ3.4096@dukeread04: The same could pretty much be said for a plane with Steam Guages and any modern full screen GPS... Sure, and there is nothing wrong with that. Today most pilots would say a moving map is MEL for serious IFR (more than just local approaches). Sure you can fly IFR with a compass and a cat ala the 1930's but who wants to do that. A handheld, self powered, back up moving map GPS (296, etc) should be carried aboard any GA IFR flight. -Robert, CFII I agree with you completely - there's nothing "macho" (or more safe, for that matter) about not taking advantage of the equipment available to you, but it is important to have a backup plan and be proficient enough to be able to excercise the backup plan if an emergency comes up. Admittedly, though, my backup GPS is not a 296, it's just a low-cost Magellan with all the fixes as POIs - certainly enough to get by in an emergency in combination with my ICOM A23. I also carry an extra set of AA batteries in the flight bag... |
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Judah wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in oups.com: Admittedly, though, my backup GPS is not a 296, it's just a low-cost Magellan with all the fixes as POIs - certainly enough to get by in an emergency in combination with my ICOM A23. I also carry an extra set of AA batteries in the flight bag... For my backup's backup I installed PocketFMS on my PDA that is always in my pocket and I keep a little CF GPS unit in my flight bag for it. I travel down into Mexico a lot where there isn't much ATC or VORs. A lose of my GPS would leave me with just my Loran (which doesn't have good coverage in lower Baja). So I have my PDA. Even in a super emergency I could use it to navigate over an airport or spiral down through a layer just off shore. The best part is that once I land I switch to MS Streets and Trips my PDA because a street navigator. -Robert |
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G1000 vs Steam guages initial thoughts...
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
oups.com: Judah wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in oups.com: Admittedly, though, my backup GPS is not a 296, it's just a low-cost Magellan with all the fixes as POIs - certainly enough to get by in an emergency in combination with my ICOM A23. I also carry an extra set of AA batteries in the flight bag... For my backup's backup I installed PocketFMS on my PDA that is always in my pocket and I keep a little CF GPS unit in my flight bag for it. I travel down into Mexico a lot where there isn't much ATC or VORs. A lose of my GPS would leave me with just my Loran (which doesn't have good coverage in lower Baja). So I have my PDA. Even in a super emergency I could use it to navigate over an airport or spiral down through a layer just off shore. The best part is that once I land I switch to MS Streets and Trips my PDA because a street navigator. -Robert Ooooh.. That's a VERY cool idea now that I got a Treo! I might have to look into that... Certainly worth lightening my flight bag... |
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