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jbskies wrote:
In the 1960s and even into the mid-1970s those of us who were airline pilots based at LAX could fly light singles into LAX and park on our airline's maintenance ramp (not the passenger terminal ramp). (Why) did it stop? Well, this may not be the direct reason but it may indirect reason... On August 31, 1986, a Piper Archer mid-air collided with Aeromexico Flight 498 DC-9 in approch to LAX. 64 in DC-9, 3 in Piper and 15 on the ground died. That event caused FAA established Class-B airspace. This greatly reduced the small GA airplanes accessing the major airports such as LAX. You can read the full story at AOPA: http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2001/sp0101.html That is not correct. The Class B (TCA prior to airspace reclassification to ICAO nomenclature) was established prior to the midair to which you refer. In fact, the Piper was clipping a corner of the Class B when the midair occurred. An excerpt from the NTSB's probable cause: AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL CONTROL AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC. As to airline employees flying light aircraft into LAX to park at their respective carriers' maintenance hangars, Class B had no affect on that at all. |
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"Sam Spade" wrote in message news:ba41g.72150$bm6.10786@fed1read04... jbskies wrote: In the 1960s and even into the mid-1970s those of us who were airline pilots based at LAX could fly light singles into LAX and park on our airline's maintenance ramp (not the passenger terminal ramp). (Why) did it stop? Well, this may not be the direct reason but it may indirect reason... On August 31, 1986, a Piper Archer mid-air collided with Aeromexico Flight 498 DC-9 in approch to LAX. 64 in DC-9, 3 in Piper and 15 on the ground died. That event caused FAA established Class-B airspace. This greatly reduced the small GA airplanes accessing the major airports such as LAX. You can read the full story at AOPA: http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2001/sp0101.html That is not correct. The Class B (TCA prior to airspace reclassification to ICAO nomenclature) was established prior to the midair to which you refer. In fact, the Piper was clipping a corner of the Class B when the midair occurred. An excerpt from the NTSB's probable cause: AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL CONTROL AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC. "At 11:52:09, Flight 498 and the Piper Archer collided over Cerritos at about 6,650 feet. The Archer had inadvertently penetrated the 6,000-foot floor of the TCA without a clearance." |
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Ron Garret wrote: I agree with the other respondents: if you're going for practical reasons rather than the coolness factor you should fly into Hawthorne instead. But if you want to fly to LAX it's not really a big deal (except that you need to be on top of your game). It's probably a good idea to phone the tower ahead of time to get the latest procedures and let them know you're coming. Nope. Strictly practical reasons. I just hate driving in the LA Basin. I appreciate the feedback and I think I'll go with Hawthorne. -- Dane |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message news:ba41g.72150$bm6.10786@fed1read04... jbskies wrote: In the 1960s and even into the mid-1970s those of us who were airline pilots based at LAX could fly light singles into LAX and park on our airline's maintenance ramp (not the passenger terminal ramp). (Why) did it stop? Well, this may not be the direct reason but it may indirect reason... On August 31, 1986, a Piper Archer mid-air collided with Aeromexico Flight 498 DC-9 in approch to LAX. 64 in DC-9, 3 in Piper and 15 on the ground died. That event caused FAA established Class-B airspace. This greatly reduced the small GA airplanes accessing the major airports such as LAX. You can read the full story at AOPA: http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/2001/sp0101.html That is not correct. The Class B (TCA prior to airspace reclassification to ICAO nomenclature) was established prior to the midair to which you refer. In fact, the Piper was clipping a corner of the Class B when the midair occurred. An excerpt from the NTSB's probable cause: AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL CONTROL AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ATC. "At 11:52:09, Flight 498 and the Piper Archer collided over Cerritos at about 6,650 feet. The Archer had inadvertently penetrated the 6,000-foot floor of the TCA without a clearance." I think TCA (Class B) came from the San Diego Cessna/727 midair early 70's/ |
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BillJ wrote:
I think TCA (Class B) came from the San Diego Cessna/727 midair early 70's/ Not so. The San Diego TCA came about as a result of that accident, which was in the late '70s (Sept 1978). There were already quite a few TCAs in effect when the PSA 727 Cessna mid-air happened in San Diego. |
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