"Michael Wise" wrote in message

The only reason they are "illegal" is because a statute or regulation
makes
them so.

The only reason murder is illegal because some silly statute or
regulation makes it so.

No, Sir.

Murder is a crime "malum in se" (wrong in itself) in every culture I am
aware of. So is stealing and lying.

Crossing an artificial line is not a crime "malum in se."

When that artficial line happens to be a sovereign nation's border and
you lack legal standing to do so...it is a crime.

I agree it's a crime; but it's a crime "malum prohibitum" (wrong because
it's forbidden) not an act that is wrong in and of itself.

Bill If we do that who's gonna cut your grass or clean up after at
at Applebees or fill your larder with produce and mushrooms?
BRBR

The problem isn't citizens not wanting to do the work, it is employers
who
hire
these people breaking the law to save $, savings that are not passed
on to
you.

Well, no.

Ever try to hire agricultural labor? I have offered as much as $15/hr.
cash
and had no takers for such tasks as bucking hay, weedeating fencelines,
mucking stalls, etc. I can make a quick trip over to Lenoir City and
hire a
crew for an 8 hour day at $50/head. And those sons of bitches will work
their butts off for that $50 (where if I hire 'Mericans I will have to
do
constant "over the shoulder" supervision).


Great, so he illegally comes on down with his wife and children to work
your plantation for a periodic $50/day. In the meantime, where does the
money to pay for his and his family's health care come from? Where does
the money to school his children come from?

He does not have any of these benefits in TN.

e you willing to assume the real costs of health care, education, law
enforcement, etc. spent on these workers? Or are you just content to get
cheap illegal labor and let the tax-payers foot the bill for all the
city, county, and state services these people use?

Not a bad gig you got going: get the benefits of cheap labor while
making society as a whole pay the real costs.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm pointing out an economic reality that those
who specialize in hatred of those not like them don't ever care to
acknowledge.

Note, also, that I never said I hired any of these guys, only that I could
if I wished.

The answer is not 10 divisions on the southern border, but a system that
recognizes reality and does not pander to the prejudices of those who hate
anybody not like themselves.

Bill Kambic

If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or
unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist,
culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist,
sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist,
phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of
political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you
to get over it.