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Old July 31st 03, 11:38 PM
Peter R.
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Dave S wrote:

I personally think that it is rude and arrogant to EXPECT or DEMAND a
discount or special treatment.


First of all, you have that backwards. I was told in a less-than-polite
manner that there was no fee waived, and I POLITELY asked the line desk
to reconsider. But then again, considering this medium I am not
faulting you for misinterpreting the text as posted.

To persist when politly told no risks painting all of us in a bad light.


There was no PERSISTING. You must think pretty highly of yourself to
feel qualified to speak for the entire charitable population by stating
that I risk "painting all of us in a bad light." Unless you were
standing next to me last night and witnessed the interaction, you hardly
qualify to speak for anyone other than yourself. IMO, of course.

I have done volunteer work for over
10 years in various regards, and I consider my payment to be the job
well done.


Sorry, buy I do not consider the waving of ramp fees to be a form of
payment to me. It is merely a bit less cold cash, AKA expense, that
must come out of my wallet. That's all. There is no harm in
attempting to reduce expenses when able.

If something is offered, accept it.


Like your misguided advice? Nah, I politely decline your generous gift.

If not, it might be reasonable to ask once..


Thank you for agreeing with me. This is exactly what I did.

But dont persist,


Again, this did not happen.

and dont get ****ed when you dont get your way.


Who's ****ed? Slightly perturbed, maybe. But not ****ed.

It seems to me that a network like Angel Flight takes more than just
one charitable act for it to be truly successful. It requires the
contributions of many players, including an FBO.

Any expenses incurred in the course of providing Angel Flights, such as
fuel, fees and aircraft costs are deductible BY YOU. I always pay ramp
fees wherever I go, and if they are waivable with fuel purchase then I
purchase fuel.


Irrelevant testimonial, unless you are referring to your experiences
flying for AF. My interpretation of your words above is that you do
not.

Not many service stations for cars would stay in business
if everyone came in, used their restrooms, wiped their windows and then
left again without buying gas. Its how these places stay in business.


Irrelevant analogy. See above.

Encouraging the organization to apply "muscle" in the name of charity
would be counterproductive.


Muscle? Hardly. These organizations routinely contact places of
business and ask for favors, donations, and the like. With your lengthy
charitable tenure, I would have expected you to know this.

This is what I was suggesting.

Thats like little Ricky Rescue with the
volunteer fire department asking for a discount at a restaurant whenever
he comes in wearing his fire department t-shirt, and asking the chief to
stand up for him when he is politely told no.


Another irrelevant analogy. I have to admit that they are funny to
read, though.

No quicker way to tarnish an image that to demand something that normally
is viewed as charity.


HUH? What are you trying to communicate here? "...demand something
that normally is viewed as charity?" You lost me. Had you instead
used a Ricky Rescue or Service Station analogy, I might have understood
better.

Anyway, you do not need to lose any sleep at night thinking I might take
down the entire reputation of an organization like AF. I guarantee you
that the manner in which I conduct myself during each of these flights
upholds their already excellent reputation.

I would encourage you to reconsider your point of view on this matter.


PoV reconsidered... and maintained.

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Peter