Enefesdi Varspooli Bhootpalamdi wrote:


you need only consider the situation where instrument traffic gets a
late handoff to an uncontrolled CTAF,

So what? He calls in a few miles from the airport and you answer.
Patterns are adjusted as necessary. What's so hard about that?


what good are the course corrections in the clouds if there's no
mountains there? or other planes?

Irrelavant to the discussion.



oh, i'm sorry. you must not have heard. we have these things called
headsets now. they actually have the microphones *attached* to the
headset, so you don't have to bend down and pick it up, and talk into it
while contemplating your navel any more.

I didn't think you looked outside. You ought to try it. That's where
the airplanes are.

why don't
you use the radio? just sounds like you're scared to use it. either
that or you have a thpeech impediment, and have a complexsh about it.

Yep, that's me, I'm afraid to us the radio. All those people out there
listening. Didn't think you ever read this group, now you proved it.


i've flown everything from a citabria to a PC12. and being an FAA
employee *snort*, you'll realize that you don't get handoffs based on
groundspeed. you get them based on distance and in some cases, altitude.

I'm pretty familiar with handoffs.



the simple facts related to this are laid out thusly:

one call per circuit results in approximately 6-10 calls per hour, given
a suitable landing runway and a pattern that's not overly congested.
let's pick the average of 8 circuits per hour.

Over 7 minutes per pattern? You have got to be kidding. But we'll
follow along.



that means, in a given
hour, you make eight radio calls. are you saying that it takes you
22-30 minutes to make it to an airport from 10nm in your 182?

No I'm saying normal people don't take 7 minutes to fly around the
pattern one time.


3-4
reports, right? BS. even in a 182, you can easily see 130 KIAS,
especially on a properly planned descent. let's say you've got 7nm to
go from the handoff to the 45 entry.

I don't do 45 entries unless I am coming from exactly that direction. I
will enter on the downwind or the crosswind over the center of the
airport. Around here there's no handoff either.


do you know how long it takes to
go 7nm at 130kt GS? three minutes and twelve seconds.

That's wonderful.



so apparently it is 100% possible, and might even be more probable to
happen than not, that you'll enter the pattern with one other person in
it, and not hear a single radio call from them, because they only call
midfield downwind.

I don't need any reports. I will see them from several miles out.


which is *exactly* where you will be entering the
downwind from the 45,

I don't think so.


the *maximum* groundspeed to go 7nm in the eight minutes required or
more, is 52.5kt. that's *required* if you're going to hear that once
every seven-eight minute call before you enter the pattern.

Again flawed reasoning. Nobody that is all alone in the pattern flies a
7 minute pattern.


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