Hi,

I now think I have a better understanding of where the SeeYou team is coming
from on this issue. They sent me a note that explained their position more
clearly. They feel that if I ask their customers to send me their
registration key I am asking their them to break the contract between SeeYou
and the customer that prohibits sending the key to anyone. The wording in
their agreement isn't clear to me, but I respect their position. One
interesting point they made is that the registration key does not
necessarily prove that the person purchased it. I must regretfully agree -
it's too bad some soaring pilots don't respect their license agreements and
don't pay for keys for themselves. Especially in such a small industry.
Software developers deserve to get paid for their efforts for us glider
pilots.

Therefore I have changed the wording on my web site such that I no longer
ask SeeYou customers to send me their registration key to get the
competitive upgrade to StrePla. I will never ask anyone to provide a key to
me and will delete it if I receive one. If potential StrePla-Bundle-Upgrade
customers want to receive a "Competitive Upgrade" discount they must provide
some form of proof of purchase of SeeYou. That could be in the form of a
receipt or something similar I guess.

I have sent a note to them inquiring as to whether that solution is
acceptable but have not yet heard back from them.

I certainly respect their efforts to create tools for the soaring community.

I'm sincerely interested to know if anyone thinks my new approach is
unacceptable. I sincerely strive to be a very ethical person.

Thank you,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:fS9rc.30067$gr.3034945@attbi_s52...
Hi,

I'm not convinced that sending their code to me to prove they purchase
SeeYou is "returning it". I'm not asking them to stop using it.

Paul Remde

"Kevin Christner" wrote in message
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I'm not sure I follow you note below in regard to reselling or
returning
without permission of the authors. I'm not going to use their SeeYou
license key or pass it on to anyone else. Therefore they are not
reselling
or returning it. I am an ethical person that can be trusted. I just
want
to verify that they are actually a SeeYou user and not simply saying
they
are a SeeYou user.

Let me preface what I have to say by stating that for several years I
worked for Tim Mara at Wings and Wheels, and now do all the US Support
for LX Navigation and flyWithCE products. But, the following
statement clearly prohibits what you are doing.

"After you have received the registration key for the
software it is not possible to return or resell it without permission
of the
authors of this software."

Users sending you their code are clearly "returning" it. In addition,
they are "selling" it because you have given them a discount, which
amounts a monetary value. You are buying their code.

To be honest, when I first read your post, I thought it was a great
business strategy. I have no personal problems with what you are
doing. But the SeeYou EULA clearly states that this is not correct.

Also, I think that there are alot of people who don't care a message
on RAS everytime you add a new mount, cable, update your website, ect.
I know that Tim updates his website 3-4 times EVERYDAY, with new
products, want-ads, ect. We probably get 25-50 new products every
year, but we don't put a message on RAS for everyone. Latley, your
posts have increased to 2-3 per week, for every little thing that you
get. Clearly, the business you recieve from these posts justify the
negative feedback you recieve from some. But, at the same time,
Standard Oil got alot of business too, but that didn't make their
tactics right.

Kevin Christner