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Old March 4th 05, 04:19 PM
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Roy Smith wrote:

In article , wrote:

FRG to GON with the following clearance: Farmingdale Three, radar
vectors BDR, direct MAD, MAD 126 radial to MONDI, direct. [...] Turns
out MONDI is only on the KGON ILS RWY 5 and it's not even an IAF.


If I were familiar with the airport, I would advise that I am unable to
accept a clearance direct to an intermediate fix. I'd request direct to
an IAF or vectors.


Why are you unable to go direct to an intermediate fix in a radar
environment? Looking at
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0501/05049I5.PDF, it
seems to me that going direct MONDI puts you right where you want to be to
get vectored onto the ILS. So, would "direct MONDI, expect vectors to the
ILS final approach course" have made you any happier?


I wish I could be sent direct to MONDI, provided it is at a angle and altitude
similar to a vector provided in accordance with 7110.65, 5-9-1.

And, the mighty chiefs at Air Traffic headquarters have been working on such a
handbook provision, which may come out this year, but only for RNAV
approaches. Ground based approaches would be be permitted this option per the
decision of one of the senior AT managers.

It is not a question of me being happy, it is a question of procedural limits
that are established by FAA management (usually, but not always, with good
reason).