"If you hold a sport pilot certificate and you seek to
operate a light-sport aircraft that has a VH greater than 87
knots CAS you must-

The wording right there is what is the holdup, see the sport pilot
certificate, that means someone who already is a sport pilot , not a
student. A student would be seeking to obtain a sport pilot certificate, or
it should say a student sport pilot. But using the words sport pilot
certificate does not include students, or so say half the FAA and AOPA.
It's kind of like saying you could not fly a C150 unless you had a
private pilot certificate,...no mention of a student pilot there. It's weird
wording for sure.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"T o d d P a t t i s t" wrote in message
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"W P Dixon" wrote:

To sum it up,....before a sport pilot can operate a fixed wing aircraft
that cruises 87 knots or more he must have ground and flight training and
recieve an endorsement.

True.

The rule regarding this endorsement specifically
states a certificated sport pilot can get this endorsement.

True, but it does *not* say a student pilot cannot get it.
It says nothing about when it can be given or to whom.

The exact wording of 61.327 is:
"If you hold a sport pilot certificate and you seek to
operate a light-sport aircraft that has a VH greater than 87
knots CAS you must-
(a) Receive and log ground and flight training from an
authorized instructor in an aircraft that has a VH greater
than 87 knots CAS"

FAR 61.315 on SP privileges, just says that in order for a
certificated SP to exercise the privilege of flying a
light-sport aircraft that has a VH greater than 87 knots CAS
he must first have the 61.327 endorsement. This applies to
certificated sport pilots only. It certainly does not
prohibit the endorsement from being given to a student
pilot. The student must always have the make and model
signoffs to solo. I haven't given the 87 knot signoff, but
I'd have no problem giving it to a student pilot if I
thought he was qualified.

So you have one rule saying a sport pilot can train in the same
aircraft
that the other rule says he can't until after he is a "sport pilot".

No you don't. There's nothing in either rule saying a
student pilot can't get the endorsement. For that matter, I
don't see anything saying he has to have the signoff to
train or solo in a 87 knots SLA (although I'd recommend it
before solo and certainly before the practical test
signoff.).

It's
causing as much confusion as the retracts on seaplanes, if not more just
because alot of us(me included) have already been flying aircraft that
cruise at or more than 87 knots.

Where is the confusion coming from? Can you point me to
it?. I frequent some Sport Pilot groups and haven't seen
it discussed (although I might have missed it).


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