On 02/10/06 05:31, Gary Drescher wrote:
"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:23:33 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:
Yes, but I didn't think this 'monkey' was allowed to use the time toward
IR currency.

If you review 61.57 regarding instrument currency, you will see that the
requirements are for logging flight under actual or simulated instrument
conditions.

The requirements for logging are merely that you be sole manipulator of
the
controls.

So yes, the non-current pilot can manipulate the controls and log PIC in
IMC, while the IR pilot acts as PIC, but cannot log PIC while in IMC.

Yup. Or alternatively, the PIC can log PIC time, and the non-current pilot
can log the approaches, but not log PIC time. (The PIC's ability to log PIC
time--as long as the sole manipulator doesn't also do so--isn't actually in
the FARs, but has been affirmed in the FAA's legal "interpretations".)

--Gary




Perhaps I'm still a little confused here. If I get a safety pilot who
agrees to act as pilot in command of the flight, that pilot will be
able to log the time as PIC.

If I am sole manipulator of the controls, then I can log the time as
PIC as per FAR 61.51(e)(i)

In this case, we would both be logging PIC, although for different
reasons.

Is this wrong?

When flying in VMC and using a view limiting device, the safety pilot
is considered a required crew member, and as such can decide to act
as PIC or SIC. However, I would think this is not the case when flying
in IMC, as the safety pilot must be PIC (because the pilot flying is
not IMC current).

Is this wrong?

If this is covered by one of the Chief Counsel written opinions, can
you please provide a reference to it? I have a hard time finding them.

Thanks,

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA