"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

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Go back to TWA 514 in 1974 and they didn't provide
much information at all with vectors to approach courses.


TWA 514 wasn't vectored for the approach.

Well, technically you're correct. In fact the FAA tried to argue, and lost,
that he was a non-radar arrival. Washington Center vectored him onto the
Armel 301 radial (which eventually became the final approach course) some 35
miles prior to the VOR, told him to maintain 7,000 then handed him off to
approach control. Approach control simply cleared him for the approach
while the flight was still on the non-published portion of the 301 radial,
and the approach clearance contained no altitude restrictions.

If it smells like a vector, it is a vector. It would be more like a
7110.65P 5-9-4 vector than a 5-9-1 vector.

But, your assertion that 514 was not vectored for the approach is pure
Steve-techo-bablle bull****. It was that kind of attitude that created the
atmosphere at the FAA to set the stage for the crash.