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Old March 25th 06, 07:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
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Default The F14 vs what we are doing now

The F14 had great legs (fuel/range), and a very powerful radar (good for
very long range detection and burning through ECM). The track/lock while
scan was a major improvement, as were the AIM-54 missiles. However, the 6
missile engagement was more of a publicity student than a reality. It was
only tried once, and only four missile hit. One malfunctioned, and another
targeted a drone that malfunctioned and so it never hit (BTW, the 38 second
test cost $154,000 per second!!). The Tomcat couldn't carry 6 missiles and
still normally land back on a carrier. With even 4 Pheonixes reducing fuel
levels at landing to critical when doing carrier ops. So typically they
only carried two. And even then, pilots lamented the drag/weight
restrictions that the massive missiles imposed when they were carried.
Granted though, the Pheonix gave a fire-and-forget capability that was
unrivaled for 20 years, and no other AAM can come close to matching its
range (other than the Mig-31 copy of it).

I would say that the Russians took the threat of the F14 very seriously (as
witnessed by their naval bomber/missile developments). So it ultimately did
what it was designed to do by putting fear into the hearts of potential
enemies and protecting US (and allied) forces by sheer intimidation. It
does have a perfect, if limited, combat record (not including questionable
Iranian records).

However, as Ed mentions, comparing it to the F15 is comparing apples to
oranges. For much of its career the F14 had engines with inadequate thrust
and a nasty tendancy to stall, so it was inferior in the dogfight. The
Eagle benefited from better funding, and had some really nifty avionics. As
witnessed by its superior NCTR performance in the Gulf War (i.e., it could
better identify hostile vs. friendly planes at BVR distances). Also, the
Eagle has a kill record of around 100 - 0. So any hypothetical comparison
you make (to the 14, or Su27, or even F22) has to bear in mind that very
impressive, real-life, perfect combat record. The Eagle has certainly done
everything it has been asked to do, and proven that it can beat every A-A
opponent it has faced in war.

As far as radar equivalent, I would wager that the V2 radars in some F15Cs,
and the radars in the F18E/Fs, and definitely the radar in the F22, are
superior to that in the F14, even if brute power is different. Plus, as Ed
said, AWACS plays a central role in most combat situations, so an ultra-long
range fighter radar is not necessary.

That's my two cents with the caveat that this is arm-chair speculation from
an arm-chair flyer.