"Doug" wrote in message
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Let's talk some common sense.


Always happy to do that. Your message appears unrelated to the one you've
responded to and has no quoted content, what exactly are you referring to?



I can't keep track of a myriad of rules,
but I (and other pilots) know when things make sense. If approach or
center is giving me radar vectors and talking to me, I expect him to
vector me away from unauthorized airspace.


A reasonable assumption, if you're eligible to be vectored.



He knows all the rules about
air traffic control. I know how to fly the airplane and do what he
says. If some ATC guy dumped me off into some airspace and told me
goodbye, and I contacted that airspace frequency and HE was ****ed
cause he didn't know about me, well, I'd think it was the ATC guy that
dropped the ball. Just makes sense. I mean ATC is NOT SUPPOSED TO SET
TRAPS FOR PILOTS, fer cryin' out loud. They are supposed to at least
TRY and keep us OUT of trouble. If they can't coordinate us in, drop us
and give us the freq, but don't have us just fly on in and then say
goodbye......


I have to assume you're referring to Jay Honeck's situation, where he
complains of being "dumped" three miles inside of the JVL Class D airspace
by RFD approach. Jay operates VFR only, he was just receiving traffic
advisories from RFD approach. RFD had no authority to issue vectors to him.
They could suggest them, but they cannot assign them. Nor could they assign
a route or altitude. They could not require him to remain on their
frequency, he was free to leave it at any time. It was solely his
responsibility to contact the tower prior to entering the Class D airspace,
approach is under no obligation to coordinate VFR arrivals with the tower.
They can, and some may, but there's really no reason to do it as the initial
call by the pilot generally contains all the information approach would be
coordinating anyway.