"swag" wrote in message
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Having read this whole thread, I am struck by the argumentative nature
of these replies.


You don't believe there is a place in discussion for argument?



Mr Honeck has never said that Mary was prevented
from contacting the Class D airspace,


Mr. Honeck said that RFD didn't cut Mary loose until they were inside JVL's
Class D airspace. If he feels she needs to be cut loose by RFD in order to
call JVL, is she not then prevented from contacting JVL if she is not cut
loose?



and in fact has said that this
experience served as a lesson that they need to dump the Rockford
controllers in the future before entering the Class D airspace. He is
trying to present this as a lesson to us all which is well taken. The
lesson I think is to stay aware of where you are, and when to expect a
handoff (and please don't give me a lesson on the use of the word
handoff).


It seems some people just don't learn these lessons. You may want to go to
Google Groups to review the thread "Slam dunk into Janesville" that appeared
in this group just over three years ago. Mr. Honeck presented an almost
identical scenario at that time. Every point that was made here was also
made then.