I had an Air Force KC 135 command pilot come to me to get a
CFI. His ratings at the time were ATP MEL Boeing 707. He
had not single-engine rating.

To train him for the single-engine CFI he needed training
and solo practice. The same areas of operation required for
a student pilot solo must also be demonstrated by any pilot
seeking to solo.

I flew with the tanker pilot, taught him how to fly from a
civilian airport [up to that point, when he called for taxi,
the military tower knew where he was parked, where he was
going and when he'd be back], taught him how to find grass
strips and even how to talk on the radio. He was a very
sharp pilot and fast learner, but he had never flown behind
a piston engine, prop or very much solo. As soon as we had
covered the required operations 61.87 I signed him off for
solo in single engine and complex aircraft. He then flew
solo, in an aircraft for which he was not rated to gain
experience. He could legally fly IFR but could not carry
passengers or fly for hire. We had to get him to the
commercial level and the CFI. It didn't take long, he made
several solo trips and we flew dual a total of about 15
hours (remember 10 hours is required for adding a commercial
certificate) and he did not holds ASEL.
He took his CP ASEL additional rating from the local DPE on
one morning and his CFI from the feds that afternoon.

It could have been the other way around. Another case, when
I was chief flight instructor, a student pilot asked me to
authorize a solo flight from Wichita to Hutchinson, Kansas
[about 35 miles]. He was not my regular student and his
instructor was out of town. I was scheduled with a another
student and just had a few minutes to review his paperwork.
Problems, his 90 day solo had expired and he had not been
signed off yet for solo cross-country flights. I said
"Sorry, don't have time to fly with you today." He said not
to worry, he'd just go fly his balloon. He then pulled a
Commercial lighter than air balloon certificate out of his
wallet.

He was signed off for solo and he was a rated pilot, I told
him to go ahead since he was a rated pilot and the student
pilot restrictions did not apply to him, but that 61.31 did,
so he could only fly solo until he took the practical test.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Peter Duniho" wrote in
message ...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:JdW2g.7005$ZW3.3537@dukeread04...
| The whole section does not apply to STUDENT PILOT
| certificate holders
|
| Says who?
|
| You posting that statement here does not make it fact.
I'm certainly
| willing to believe it's true (as I've stated in other
messages), but so far
| I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that it's true.
|
| [...]
| 61.31 is required for solo, PIC solo and passenger
carrying.
| For instance, a private pilot [or better] can take
training
| in a Beech 18 for a multiengine rating and be signed off
for
| solo before the multi checkride.
|
| Under what regulation? Solo privileges are granted only
to student pilots,
| under 61.87. What regulation is it that you believe
authorizes someone
| other than the holder of a Student Pilot certificate to
have solo privileges
| in an aircraft for which they are not otherwise qualified
(rated,
| endorsements, etc)?
|
| A 61.31 endorsement is
| required as well as the training required by the
appropriate
| FAR section for solo.
|
| Since I don't believe someone other than a student pilot
can be given solo
| privileges in a category and class other than that for
which they are rated,
| the question of the 61.31 endorsement is moot.
Regardless, it's irrelevant
| to the question of what a student pilot needs (except
possibly to illustrate
| yet another inconsistency in the FARs, if true).
|
| Pete
|
|