Never denied it was a great flight.

Indeed 17999 is a frequent stop in high summer and often broken in wave
season (wave window permitting).

Maybe Nevada should declare UDI and have its own set of airspace
rules!!

Software and source files issue is the issue here.

Until the SSA and or OLC defines a benchmark we can all fly off this
will continue to plague the OLC and other contest scoring.

Al

Pat wrote:
But let's not forget that Ramy's flight was really really good. 1000+
FAI w LS-4 is excellent. Well done Ramy!!!!!!

And by all means, I think every body in Minden area knows 17999 and has
been the quite often. Right Al??? ))))))))))

I have no comment about the software issue.






Ramy wrote:
Doug, I would like to ask you to check my 6/24 flight and determine
officially if I violated any restricted airspace. Both according to the
winpilot airspace data I use during flight and according to SeeYou the
closest I got was 550m. My trace also clearly show my effort to go
around the restricted airspaces.Please post the results to RAS as soon
as possible as I want to put an end to this circus. If you determine
that I busted a restricted airspace you have my permission to remove
this flight completly. I will not contest it, and will simply draw my
own conclusion about the faith I have in the system.

Thanks,

Ramy


Marc Ramsey wrote:
Ramy wrote:
Marc, although I decided to stay out of this discussion (and any other
discussions on RAS), and ignore any pathetic comment from Al, I see
the need to steer it to the right direction. I don't think it matters
what Strepla or SeeYou reports which may indeed not be accurate, what
matters is what you see when you plot the trace on a sectional. I am
not familier with Strepla, but SeeYou has the option to download
sectional maps, so you can clearly see if there is a violation. I would
expect the SSA will use the same method.

Ramy, I worked for many years implementing GIS and CAD applications.
One absolutely does not want to use scanned charts to define "official"
airspace boundaries. It is quite simply impossible to achieve accurate
registration across an entire chart. There are also no guarantees as to
the source and integrity of the data supplied with Strepla, SeeYou, or
any other program.

If the SSA will be checking airspace boundaries for OLC, badge, and/or
record flights, the only correct approach is for the SSA to publish an
official SUA data set which will be used for a specific period of time,
along with software that can be used to verify IGC files against that
data. Any other approach leaves room for precisely the kind of dispute
that is taking place here.

Marc