"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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The question is, what is it that Jim claims causes the Winter solstice to
be
"the shortest day of the year" in English? It's just as much the longest
night of the year in English as it is the shortest day.

so what? it's redundant to say it's the longest night after saying it's
the
shortest day.

Who says I've done so AFTER saying it's the shortest day? What if I say
it's the longest night first?

Okay, you are clearly just not understanding any of this thread. Let me try
a different approach:

I claim that in English, the Winter solstice is the longest night of the
year.

Can you refute that claim?