Douglas Paterson wrote:



OK, that's a good data point. Truckee/Tahoe are around 8,000', yes? What's
the elevations in the pass(es) you go through to get there? Summer
time/fully loaded, or do you have to leave some gas or your buddy behind?
Do you mention that ground effect trick for short/soft fields, or is it an
issue of you can't get going fast enough with the wheels rolling on pavement
at high-elevation fields?

Any 182 or Cherokee 235 will get thru 12,000 foot passes near gross
weight. You don't try to takeoff in either one at gross off a short
field at a high density altitude. Period.