(robert arndt) wrote in message . com...
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In message , robert
arndt writes
Tom is starting up again with his pro-Iranian BS. Well Tom, say what
you will but history proves you wrong time after time. The Israelis
have both the will to fight total war and the arsenal to win it.

...for as long as the US keeps signing the cheques.

What check did they sign in 1948? And FYI, aid is not a one way
street. Israel has gathered both intelligence and foreign weapon
systems that has been invaluable to the US for decades- far beyond any
monetary value.

Are you sure of that? How many foreign weapons systems have we
obtained from Israel, versus how many did we buy (proving that you can
indeed put a monetary value on such items) from other nations?

There is MORE than one reason we support the Jewish
State and it isn't just because of the Jews here in America... so
don't use that old line about check-writing.

But in fact that line is true enough. Go back and research what it
took to get the Israelis to keep out of ODS (and thereby tearing the
coalition apart). Hint--it was a combination of hard nose politics
(i.e., not providing the requested IFF codes) and money/arms.

Besides, Israel doesn't ask our permission to protect its national
security or its citizens.

They did during ODS...but then again, we paid them for the privaledge.

Recall Entebbe, the Iraqi reactor, Gerald
Bull's assassination, Lebanon, and the current intifada.

And you forgot the case where the Mossad team killed the *wrong* guy
in Norway?

Israel
doesn't play games- period.

I don't know about that. Lebanon in the early 80's was not to well
thought out ahead of time, and resulted in quite a few *Israelis*
being quite ****ed off at their own government.

The fact that Israel sat out ODS is
because none of the Scuds had CB warheads.

And the money. Do a google on it and you might find some interesting
stuff, or IIRC, you can go back and read that post-war book from the
writers at US News and World Report.

If just one did then Israel
would have struck back regardless of US assurances. OIF didn't require
an Israeli effort to remain neutral. Israel warned both Syria and Iran
well in advance not to attempt any secondary war against the Jewish
State or face the consequences. Notice how they did nothing, as
usual... except denounce Israel. Right now, Israel's economy is
suffering and the international pressure to make peace with the
terrorist Palestinians is unbearable.

So, all palestinians are terrorists? Including the current fellow
doing the negotiating on their behalf?

But Israel retains its tough
stance and the US is firmly on Israel's side despite frequent
administration "concerns" over the conflict.

Uhmmm....not *all* USians are quite so staunch in support of Israel,
if you had not noticed. Some of us get rather perturbed every time
they blow up some poor jerk's home because he had the unmitigated gaul
to be related by blood to a suicide bomber. The IDF habit of shooting
stone throwing Palestinian kids, while *never* shooting stone throwing
illegal Israeli settlers (and yes, they too have engaged in stone
throwing) also causes some degree of heartburn.


I support Israel and the IDF and don't mind at all giving aid to the
Israelis.

Fine. Maybe the best solution would be to handle this like we do the
election campaign contributions, with a box to check on the tax form
if you want to provide dollars (lots more than go to that election
program) to Israel, and that way those of us who are opposed to the
idea don't have to contribute to that $14K per Israeli we provide.

The day we stop aiding Israel will be detrimental to the US.
Judgement on the US is already happening since 9/11. Cutting Israel
off would be far worse. It would be seen in Arab eyes as weakness on
our part and a signal that terrorism does pay in the long run.
President Bush won't allow that to happen and neither would any
Republican administration.

Wasn't Bush the one who angered the israelis just a couple of years
back with his vision of a Palestinian state?

Brooks


Rob
Supporter IFCJ, FIDF, RNC