"Tony Verhulst" wrote in message
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..our T21 would simply mush as speed decreased. Get it high enough, apply
some speed and pull up - cross controls and it would fall off to side and
NOT spin! I was spin-trained in a K13, a Capstan (T53?)and a Bocian. I
enjoyed spins.

This is good, I think. If a club has the luxury, maybe some docile
"unspinnable" trainers for the first few solo flights and then some others
for stall/spin training. If I could only have one trainer, I would want
one that will spin. I spin every student before they solo.

Tony V. LS6-b "6N"
PS. spins ARE fun.


This is an endlessly debatable subject.

"Primacy of Learning" is a tricky thing. No matter how hard an instructor
works at it, the student will learn how his primary trainer behaves.
Later, in a real emergency when panic sets in, he will expect whatever
glider he is flying to behave as his first glider experiences in a spin
resistant trainer taught him it would. That may be a bad thing. Later spin
training may not be enough to overcome unsafe techniques learned in a highly
spin resistant primary trainer. I think it's fair to say that at least some
spin accidents in high performance gliders are due to this.

Of course, there's another side. Spinnable trainers require that students
be trained to a higher standard before solo - which is mostly a good thing.
However, some slow learning students will give up before learning the skills
to safely solo a spinnable trainer. Maybe it's better to lose them as they
walk away from primary training than later when they spin in a high
performance glider.

I vote for spinnable primary trainers that more nearly teach the behaviors
that the student will see in gliders he will fly later.

Bill Daniels