On Jun 25, 7:09 am, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

That's not the point he's making (that it's _strictly_ union caused).

Matt, I have lurked on this list on and off for years and I have read
a few of your posts. You seem to like to berate and flame the airline
guys alot. I dont know why you have this chip on your shoulder,maybe
you were turned down by an airline, or maybe you like to think you
know more than airline guys. Judging by your post, I would
respectfully submit that you havent spent much time, if any, at the
controlls of an airliner.




Maybe because they're typically a bunch of thugs who do generate a few
bennies at a obscene cost?

I have never been approached by a thug. ALPA stresses professionalism.
If the non union pilots benifit, why shouldnt they help out?




How many have ALPA rejected in terms of "full employment"?

Is this your beef?

Look at
the recent crap that went on at Jet Blue (Duty time violations). That
would have never happened at an ALPA carrier.

Absolute BS.

75 years ago (When flying the line was really dangerous) ALPA realized
that the best contract in the world was meaningless if you werent
around to enjoy it. So they formed a safety department and they have
had a hand in every safety inovation and procedure and accident
investigation for the past 75 years. A couple of recent examples where
the FAA overhauled certain rules and procedures (Based on ALPA input)
are LASHO and the Whitlow Ruling. Could you be more specific with your
"Absolute BS" statement. At what union carrier (ALPA, APA, IPA CPA)
were the pilots specifically told by managment that they would be
requiered to ignore flight time/duty time regs?

If you are paying a
little extra for a ticket, you can rest assured the added level of
safety is worth it. Now how does the consumer lose here?

By assuming the unions are interested primarily in safety.

Matt, read the above paragragh again.



Ah, the old "Blame labor for management follies". A quick look at
recent airline bankruptcies will put this one to bed.

Oh, like United?

???????

Respectfully, K B