"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Nov 27, 9:47 pm, "Maxwell" wrote:
"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article
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"F. Baum" wrote:

On Nov 27, 8:43 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Many of us have a great successful career without every being a
member
of a union. In fact, most Americans are not union members. In fact,
the top paying jobs in the U.S. are non-union. So I think your
point
is countered.

Robert, you rascal ! I love your simplistic answers. Lets take a look
at things that didnt exist before organized labor; Child labor laws,
healt care benifits, 40 Hour work weeks, severance, paid vacation,
benifits packages, retirement, DC plans,overtime and the list goes
on................ If you had a great career with any of these benies
you can thank organized labor
FB

You are assuming that these "benies" exist because of organized
labor.

Question: what laws would continue to exist if unions went away
and what laws would go away?

And which would have evolved naturally with increased productivity and
increased expertise in management (that had been going on for a couple
hundred years). That's out of Baum's mental grasp, unfortunately.
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Funny thing is, you are all right. Everything mentioned here both pro and
con has contributed to the wages paid in this country today for most
every
job. Child labor laws, health care benefits, 40 Hour work weeks,
severance,
paid vacation, benefits packages, retirement, overtime pay, minimum wage,
etc, etc. It's all had a balancing effect on the wages we all draw every
day. Without unions we would all be working for less, no matter what our
profession.

None of my people are under a collective bargaining agreement. There
are business reasons to provide compensation packages that are
attractive to gain and retain employees. There are business reasons to
maintain productivity. However, there is not one person here would
believes his job would be subsidized if we no longer had customers. If
anyones (including my) position no longer makes business sense it will
be elimiated. That's what makes an economy efficient and maximizes
return to investors. If you don't like it you should work for the
gov't.


I believe and agree with you Robert, 100%.

I do feel unions have been quite useful to all of us for "raising the bar"
globally across the US of the past 75 or whatever years. But I also believe
many of them have had a very negative impact as well, and should take
responsibility for many jobs leaving the country.

Over the years I have work as a member of both good and bad unions, and in
good and bad non union environments. While I can fully appreciate their
value, I have also seen situations where they were nothing but a parasite to
not only the companies they control, but their membership as well.

I also worked some 17 years in a non union environment, where without
warning I was singled out and terminated just two years short of my first
retirement step, effectively cutting the guts out of my retirement package,
with nothing but awards and letters of recommendations in my personal file.
So the door really does swing both ways.