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"The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations
are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they
are no longer strong."
Robert K. Dornen, U.S. Congressman. 1995
"Neil Harden" wrote in message
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Is Tony B. a Neo-con too... Is anyone who disagrees with you
simply a
Neo-con.

Also please tell me why is a Neo-con a bad thing....

You seem rather defensive about it.

No just asked a question, I have always been a traditional
conservative....
I just wanted to know why folks felt the
NeoCons are this OH so terrible group as opposed to other political
groups... I was hoping for an honest explanation
why they were any worse then your run of the mill West Coast liberal...
It
seems to me Neocons use government for their
causes (some i find wrong and distasteful) and liberals use government
for
there causes (most that are wrong and distasteful)

Personally I prefer we would shrink government and get it out of people
lives and allow the people, to do their own work.
I do realize some regualtion and centrial goverment is needed sure...
But
I don't beleive in the socialist "Big Papa" concept at all
and trully beleive that state/local goverment is the way to go for these
type issues... They are much more accountable to the people.



Jim

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

While this definition does not mention it, the neocon agenda seems to
have abandoned the concept of fiscal conservatism and balanced budgets.
Canada has weathered the recent economic storms far better that the US
because we have maintained balanced budgets throughout the period. We
have not "stimulated" our economy with drastic tax cuts which cause
excess government borrowing and undue demand on capital by government.
As a result, the capital remains available to the private sector here.
Despite recent problems such as the SARS and mad cow crises, our economy
has grown at a much faster rate than that of the US. And we liberal (no,
its not a bad word in Canada) hoards have universal medical care and much
more comprehensive social programs the US.


I am familiar with the term. That is why I was asking what is so bad about
them? Perfect? no, but who is?
It would seem Teddy Roosevelt as well as Ronald Regan could be classified as
a NeoCons.
They were arguably a two of our Best presidents. While I disagree with some
of the current administrations
decisions and I would perfer a more conservitive course with respect to
growth of goverment ( i.e. homeland security, , patriot act etc etc).
However, lets be frank, we wouldn't be here or having this conversation
had the privious (liberal) administration
taken care of bussiness (Osama) on any of the several chances they had.
Willie claims on the talk show circuit he warned Bush
severial times... He also did nothing severial times when he could have
taken him out. Where I am from that makes him all talk and no action
(execpt were interns are concerned)...

Some claim we are to stretched militarily, however, we wouldn't be
stretched militarily if the previous administration had not gutted the
services capabilities
on the alter of the "artificial peace dividend" . It needs to be said:
The peace dividend only pays off when the bad guys are all gone and they
obviously aren't all gone. So once again the current administration (and
American people) are feeling the burden of a bad policy decisions made by
the previous administration.

Concerning the economy. It was tanking already Pre-Bush... These things
are cyclical and do happen irregardless of party in power.
All the leading indicators were just starting the uptick when 9/11 erased
severial hunderd billion dollars from our ecomony in one fell swoop.
this also effected the rest of the world, I find it unlikly that it hit
them with the same magnatude as it did us but we are still out preforming
most
of the G-7. I would also bet that the US ecomony will significantly
outpreform the Canadian one in the near term... So when the US dollar is
only 80
cents to the Canadian dollar I will give you bragging rights.

Concerning Budgets, since we are at war it isn't unheard of to run deficets,
I beleive FDR did so without being overly harried about it. Additionally if
our neighbor to the North was the world's only superpower and as such took
care of the security needs of the contenent, I wonder what we would look
like if we could free up and reallocate severial points of GNP to other
uses. Lets be honest. The military Canada has is very professional, it is
also unable to defend Canada by itself. It would be dishonest to say
Cananda hasn't reaped some extreamly big security benifits (and budget)
from having a Big Brother to the south.

Concerning health care, why do so many Canadians then travel to America to
recieve there "universal Care"? Additionally perscription drugs price
controls keep the price down in Canada, and drive the prices up south of the
border (thanks again).

The point I am making is it is hard to compair Canada to America directly.
Like the pilot fish Canada recieves some a very big benfits without cost
from swimming in the same pond as Mr Great White.



Jim