On Dec 22, 11:35*am, Larry Dighera wrote:

He already has. *If you look at the sentence Mr. McNicoll quoted out
of FAAO 7110.65, you'll notice that it doesn't mention "cleared into
Bravo." *

And since when is an arrival procedure the same **area** as Bravo?

So, what you are saying if a person is on flight following landing
KLAS (after all Ron was VFR), that it's ok to hear contact tower
WITHOUT hearing the magic words "cleared to enter bravo"? I don't
think so. What's the difference between that and arrival procedure.
None.

Arrival procedure is not the same as Bravo airspace. An arrival
procedure does not trump airspace rules, and Bravo requires a
clearance to enter it, implied or not via the approval would not show
up on the tapes those magic words "cleared into Bravo".

Please provide a citation from FAAO 7110.65 (the Aeronautical
Information Manual is not regulatory; it is merely a summary of
regulations) that contains "cleared into Bravo." *Here's a link for
you:

While not regulatory as you state above, the phraseology sure supports
my position.

PHRASEOLOGY-
CLEARED THROUGH/TO ENTER/OUT OF BRAVO AIRSPACE,

and as appropriate,

VIA (route). MAINTAIN (altitude) WHILE IN BRAVO AIRSPACE.

Note the Via part and that's what BT said.

Let me go this route, I will not bet my ticket on Steven's advise.

Unless I am IFR, I will expect to hear cleared into Bravo just as the
phraseology suggest above, and since an arrival procedure is not the
same as Bravo airspace, I don't think Steven is right. Rules clearly
state, you must be cleared into the airspace (area).

Allen