On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:20:21 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Hey, you go ahead and fly into Bravo without hearing those magic
words. No skin off my back.

Like I said, I will be listening for those words, and if I dont' get
them I will ask. I require it in my flying, you can do what you want.

You don't stick to standard phraseology, then shame on you.

'nuf said.


If you've already received a clearance that grants entry into Class B
airspace those words are superfluous. Doesn't make any difference if you're
VFR or IFR.


I believe the point here is, that it's incumbent on the VFR PIC to
explicitly _REQUEST_ clearance into Class B airspace every time
(instead of saying "with you" or some such):

"Las Vegas Approach, Cherokee 1234 request clearance into Class
Bravo via the Cortez 1 Transition."

Then it would be clear that any violation caused by the controller's
omission of the "cleared into Class Bravo" phrase was not the fault of
the pilot.