On Dec 22, 5:57*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:

I believe the point here is, that it's incumbent on the VFR PIC to
explicitly _REQUEST_ clearance into Class B airspace every time
(instead of saying "with you" or some such):

* * "Las Vegas Approach, Cherokee 1234 request clearance into Class
* * *Bravo via the Cortez 1 Transition." *

Then it would be clear that any violation caused by the controller's
omission of the "cleared into Class Bravo" phrase was not the fault of
the pilot. *

Thank you Larry,

Somewhere along the line, the clearance into Bravo airspace needs to
be heard, and this is what I have been saying all along.

You just worded it better MUCH then me. :-)

Pilot requests clearance, ATC approves by sayind cleared into Bravo or
remain clear. Those are the only two choices THAT I see ATC having
when one is around Bravo airspace.

It is incumbent on the pilot to request it as you so well stated.

You can bet if I ever go VFR, I will hear those words "cleared into
Bravo" before I set a wing inside that airspace.

Allen