"tadaa" wrote in message ...


And I'm claiming that US aid to SU wasn't that massive at the beginning.

" Congress appropriated 13 billion dollars for the lend-lease program by
October 28, 1941, but the movement of goods overseas got under way slowly.
Our munitions industry was still largely in the tooling up state. "


$13 billion 1941 dollars sounds a pretty massive amount to me and
supplies of food and fuel and trucks were every bit as important
as munitions.

As Zhukov himself said after the war

"It is now said that the Allies never helped us . . . However, one cannot
deny
that the Americans gave us so much material, without which we could not have
formed our reserves and ***could not have continued the war*** . . . we had
no
explosives and powder. There was none to equip rifle bullets. The Americans
actually came to our assistance with powder and explosives. And how much
sheet
steel did they give us. We really could not have quickly put right our
production of tanks if the Americans had not helped with steel. And today it
seems as though we had all this ourselves in abundance."


" The first convoy of American and British cargo ships steamed into the
harbor of Murmansk while the German armies were hammering at the gates of
Moscow. Our aid to the U.S.S.R. was relatively insignificant in 1941, but
it
bore the promise of much more to come. "


That convoy arrived before Dec 8 of course, in fact the first convoy to
Northern Russia arrived in August 1941

LL became important to SU in later of the war, because it allowed SU to
commit it's own resources to war, but to call it massive even before US
joined in war is false.


No 13 billion 1941 dollars is massive, the fact that getting the aid to
Russia
either via the northern route or through Iran took many weeks doesnt alter
the
fact that massive amounts of aid were approved and dispatched BEFORE
the US entered the war.

Keith