From: Michael Kelly
Date: 1/9/2004 6:02 PM Central Standard Time
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B2431 wrote:

Marron, I will let you in on a little secret your father committed a crime
by
taking you on the flightline in a launch truck. He and his buddies
committed a
crime by giving you beer as a minor. He and his buddies were fools for
letting
an unqualified person handle their life support equipment.


Dan,

Taking civilians out onto an active flightline is no crime so long as
they are properly supervised. Anyone with escort privilege on their
line badge can do it. We take wives, girlfriends, children and friends
out all the time, even post 9/11. As long as the person escorting keeps
the civilians out of the way there's no problem. The crime occurs if
they are left unsupervised.

Which is what would have happened once the escort climbed into the cockpit. The
father had no business expecting the launch truck driver to continue the
escort. I had escort authority but that doesn't mean you can ask me to baby sit
your child while you go fly.

I don't know about where you are, but on all the TAC, MAC, USAFE, AFSOC base I
was on the flightline was off limits to sight seeing. Further, an excorted
individual needs to have a need to be on the flightline. If memory serves the
ADC ramp at Langley AFB was a resticted area which, among other things, means
no sight seeing. If the ADC base marron's father was stationed at the same regs
apply.

I have seen wives in line trucks and have had them promptly escorted off line.
If you want to show your dependants your aircraft take them to an open house
not the line. They don't belong there.

I don't know what they retitled the AFR-207 series to, but I suggest you review
them and their base apendices.

One thing not addressed so far was marron claims to have been there at 10 years
old. Are you aware that a 10 year old is still developing and should not be
exposed to the radiation and nose of the flightline for exactly the same reason
pregnant women aren't allowed online. If in fact what he said is true I
personally would consider it child abuse. My opinon.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Security Manager, mobility, Avionics on UH-1P, HH-3, HH-53, UH-60A, MH-60G,
C-118, AC-130, HC-130, WC-130, C-131, KC-135, WC-135 ,T-29, T-33, T-39, F-4E
and a few other goodies I'd rather not go into.