On 2010-08-05, a wrote:
On Aug 5, 4:11*pm, Gemini wrote:
On 2010-08-01, anthony wrote:



On Jul 30, 11:24*am, Franklin
wrote:
Stephen! wrote:
a wrote in
news:9bc82c51-ad2d-48c4-bbd8-03eb64291845
@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:

The likely lesson is, learn or relearn to control your energy!

* All good points but I think a better lesson from this crash would
* be how to decide when you've blown the landing and go around.

It take time to know how to land a plane. It takes longer to know when not
to land a plane.

Franklin wrote
It take time to know how to land a plane. It takes longer to know when
not
to land a plane.

Good point. Note to CFIs doing BFIs -- at least once when your client
is deep in the flare, command "Go around". It would be a way of
reminding us the throttle may sometimes have to be advanced when we
are planning to land.

Really good point. I'm currently a student pilot (only had 1st solo on
7/4/10), and before the solo, my CFI did exactly that, whilst right in
the flare, he, in a conversational tone, said, "Go around." Proudly,
I was on it, and smoothly increased throttle, and reduced flaps...

I got to learn another lesson that day:

When going around, and you need to decrease the flap by 1 "click",
make sure you don't let out ALL the flap. Fortunately, the CFI
calmly said, "You let out all the flap; we're going to lose altitude
if you don't..." I already caught my mistake and put 2 clicks back
in of flaps. Now I'm always aware!

But this is why we train, right? I want to make ALL my mistakes
when the CFI is right there.

In my second solo - simply flying the pattern for 3 T/O landings -
I exercised my own judgemnt to Go Around. I came in too fast, and
ground effect was making me float way too far - so, rather than
chance it, I simply "went around".

I almost had the urge to not do it. I was thinking, I know what
I'm doing, so, I can stick this. A split second later, I said
to myself that if I'm trying to convince myself that I can make
this, on a simple landing that is getting close, I better just
go around.

That will stick with me now. I know what to expect of myself and
the signs to look for - at least in this case.

Cheers

Some decades ago my CFII pounded into my head that during an
instrument approach the prudent rated pilot EXPECTS to have to go
around and is ready to push the throttle in and do that. He treats the
appearance of the runway environment as a happy accident. Your
experience suggests we should treat completing the landing as an
exception and be ready to 'go around' and if we do so we may be better
pilots. "Fly ready to execute in response to the exceptional
circumstance" is a good mantra.

I'd be happy to fly in the back seat if I knew the low time person at
the controls was prepared to say "I don't like the way this is shaping
up" and won't try force fit a maneuver when the initial conditions
have slipped from acceptable.

Nice call, nice post. Thanks.

Thanks, a!

I was actually going to write a tidbit that I heard somewhere
regarding the Go Around - that one should be on final expecting
to have to Go Around - but I couldn't quite remember how it was
worded - I'm glad you mentioned it!

Everything I have read so far suggests a big component that
contributes to accidents is the failure of the pilot to
believe that soemthing is happening that is beyond their
control to take action against. Like the pilot that had a tough
time keeping the plane straight on take off, and kept trying
to recover the situation instead of simply aborting the T/O,
takxiing back, and trying again - instead he ran off the side of
the runway, damaging the plane and injuring passengers.

There are enough uncontrollable factors involved in flying to
cause issues that I never want to be the guy that believes that
it can't happen; and fails to abort or go around or whatever
when the situation comes up.

It also taught me to strive for precision. I was 1 CFI lighter in
weight, and there was no headwind, and I shut down a tad late
which = Go Around.

Cheers!