Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 2/20/04 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On 20 Feb 2004 22:20:03 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 2/20/04 1:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Art came up with references to Mr Powell's biography/autobiography
referencing
the statement that Art quoted/paraphrased.

I still stand by by statement that in the current situation those
statements
are not applicable and I have serious doubts that Mr. Powell would make the
same statement at this time or during his later career in the Pentagon.
In the current situation the statement that Art quoted/paraphrased is still
bull****. Circa 1965 to 1973 the statement would have been applicable in a
lot
of circumstances, especially if you were a brown bar grunt Lt or an off the
street draftee.

Rick Clark


Your apology is accepted.


Arthur Kramer

I don't know if you've got the Powell book on your shelf. I do. You
might want to continue on to the next paragraph on p. 149 to see the
isolation of the comment to the bankrupt policies of the Johnson
administration. Powell was exactly right when referring to 1967-69 and
should be respected for calling a spade a spade. But, this discussion
is about: first, GWB's experience from 1970-74, and more importantly,
the state of the Guard/Reserve from post-Vietnam until today.

Clearly the record shows that the employment philosophy of the
Guard/Reserve components has changed drastically. Failure to note a
shift in policy over forty years is short-sighted and intellectually
bankrupt.

The Guard and Reserve are very active on the battlefields of America
and deserve the utmost respect.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8


He wasn't critisizing the guard for christsakes. He was critisizing those weak
bellied *******s who go there to hide. Y'know, the intellectually bankrupt you
are talking about.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
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