On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:15:03 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
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"Pat Carpenter" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:49:55 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
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"Pat Carpenter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:11:01 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
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"Pat Carpenter" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:26:27 -0800, Henry J Cobb
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John R Weiss wrote:
If anything, remote-controlled CAS platforms will increase
blue-on-blue, and
they will likely be MORE vulnerable to defenses.

So when will we see a program to train A-10 pilots about the shapes
of
armored vehicles operated by the United States military?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/02/spr...friendly.fire/

-HJC
Please include UK Warrior vehicles in that training.

Before you get too smug, recall who clanged that Challenger around
Basra
during the latest visit to the area...twasn't the Yanks, and twasn't
the
Iraqis.

Brooks


Pat Carpenter

Agreed we did but the A-10's mangaged it in both GFI and GFII.

Well, heck, when it is your side that is providing the bulk of the toys
and
the men to operate them, you can expect that the greater percentage of
untoward incidents will also be in their pocket. Now, can you enlighten
us
as to just how a RN *AEW* helo (of all things--one would imagine that
such
aircraft are generally better informed about their surrounding traffic
conditions than most) managed to collide with *another* AEW helo (and in
the
process killed a USN officer on exchange duty)?

As I said earlier, in war "**** happens". Even in the UK forces...

Brooks

Pat Carpenter

Probably the same way as the Patriot shot down two allied aircraft
before a brave F16 pilot smoked the *******. Trouble is too many
systems are treated like toys and not lethal weapons.

What no excuse for the Patriot then?
From
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopic...nd%20Defen ce :

""History shows that fratricide is an unavoidable feature of warfare,"
admits the National Audit Office, Britain's public spending watchdog, in a
2002 report on the MoD's attempts to improve combat identification."

Treated like "toys" huh? From that statement one can assume you have little
first-hand experience with a profession at arms.

You called them toys, and when you start calling them toys you start
treating them like toys.

As to the RN choppers, they both had their radomes stowed and were
relying on shipboard radar control.

Gee, and not a single Yank around to take responsibility for the act (unless
you were planning on blaming the one who was killed...?

I don't remember blaming any Americans in that case, correct me if I'm
wrong.

To quote from a WWII saying :-
"When the Luftwaffe bombed the Allies ducked, when the RAF bombed the
Germans ducked but when the Americans bombed every f**ker ducked"

Regarding Operation Tractable (Falaise Gap):

"Bomber Command carried out this operation without American involvement, but
a large number of bombers, many ironically from 6 Group of the Royal
Canadian Air Force, bombed short."


"The American air force bombed the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division as
they were in a staging area ready to attack the enemy"

"
Those short bombs caused casualties. Like I said, **** happens, even when
you Brits are the ones doing the dealing. George Washington noted a
Brit-on-Brit fratricide incident that occured during the French and Indian
War, when the detachment he was commanding came within sight of another
British element and both sides opened fire on each other. Maybe you think
Washington bears the sole burden for that event, too?

Brooks


Pat Carpenter

Pat Carpenter