New email address

Jerry Springer wrote:
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If you send your email address to someone you are just as likly to get
spammed from that as you are anywhere else. Anyone that puts your email
address in their address folder is setting you up for virus' and spam.

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Nonsense.

That's like saying tha tyou are as likely to crash flying in clear,
windless weather at noon as you are flying through the eye of a
tornado. While it is posible to crash either way the latter is
a certainty.

Either way

An email address on someone's PC might be compromised but one that
is posted in UseNet headers is certain to be harvested repeatedly.

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FF

Nonsense.

That's like saying tha tyou are as likely to crash flying in clear,
windless weather at noon as you are flying through the eye of a
tornado. While it is posible to crash either way the latter is
a certainty.

Either way

An email address on someone's PC might be compromised but one that
is posted in UseNet headers is certain to be harvested repeatedly.


Thank's for backing me up, Jerry sounds like he knows it all, I'd just like
to know how much he really knows.
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Cheers,
Model Flyer
MS880B EI-BFR


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FF

It's so easy to harvest addresses that it's foolhardy to leave oneself
exposed like that.

Foolhardy? nonsense, just because you do not know how to manage your email
program.

Perhaps Jerry, you would care to enlighten me, tell me how to set-up Outlook
Express to prevent spam. My ISP now provides an anti spam service, but I
don't see any function within OE to effectivly block spam.
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Cheers,
Model Flyer
MS880B EI-BFR

If you send your email address to someone you are just as likly to get
spammed from that as you are anywhere else. Anyone that puts your email
address in their address folder is setting you up for virus' and spam.

Jerry (not afraid of spammers or virus or to use my real email address)

("Modelflyer" wrote)
Perhaps Jerry, you would care to enlighten me, tell me how to set-up
Outlook Express to prevent spam. My ISP now provides an anti spam service,
but I don't see any function within OE to effectivly block spam.


[Spam Filter]
OE 6.0/ Tools/ Message Rules/ Mail... or News...

[Disguise your e-mail addy]
OE 6.0/ Tools/ Accounts... / News/ Properties/ E-mail address:

My ISP uses Postini to filter spam. We are very, very satisfied with
Postini!
http://www.postini.com/


Montblack

abripl wrote:
While it may be true that you don't have a problem with spam ("mostly")
just think of all the bandwidth the spammers clog up while sending you
email (that you don't "see") and your email client bouncing it back. It
slows down the whole internet for everybody.

Uh, if you are going to post with a false email
address could you at least use an invalid domain
name, or one of the domain names reserved for
testing?

Just think of all the bandwidth the spammers clog up
while sending you email (that you don't "see") and your
host's SMTP server bouncing it back if you post a
false email address using a REAL domain name
like hotmail.com. It just slows down the internet
for everybody.

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FF

Modelflyer wrote:


Thank's for backing me up, Jerry sounds like he knows it all, I'd just like
to know how much he really knows.



I know enough to not be afraid to use my real email address and not get
bombarded with spam. Beyond that you guys do whatever makes you feel
comfortable. I also know enough not to use Outlook Express which you
mentioned in another post. I am not going to try to compete with all of
you that know so much about how email address are harvested and how spam
is sent. I know what works for me I get one or maybe two spams a day, I
can live with that. I have been using my real email address in RAH for
years, probably since 1990 or there abouts.

Jerry

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Modelflyer" wrote)
Perhaps Jerry, you would care to enlighten me, tell me how to set-up
Outlook Express to prevent spam. My ISP now provides an anti spam
service,
but I don't see any function within OE to effectivly block spam.


[Spam Filter]
OE 6.0/ Tools/ Message Rules/ Mail... or News...

Not very effective as spammers only have to change one digit in the senders
address and they overcome your blocked senders list, one could block all
using the domain, however that would also block legit mail.


[Disguise your e-mail addy]
OE 6.0/ Tools/ Accounts... / News/ Properties/ E-mail address:

That's the method I use and it's does keep my present address spam free or
almost spam free.


My ISP uses Postini to filter spam. We are very, very satisfied with
Postini!
http://www.postini.com/

My ISP now does the same, however the 120,000 within three months figure was
before they introduced the anti spam service.
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Cheers,
Model Flyer
MS880B EI-BFR


Montblack

Hi fred,

address could you at least use an invalid domain
name, or one of the domain names reserved for
testing?


I now use an invalid domain, I cheked to make sure that it was invalid. Now
I find that some twit has registered the domain so I've had to change to
another invalid domain. I've used for the last couple of
years.:-) some one has now registered null.net. I used to use test.com and
testtest.com for testing, I now find those are registered, can't think of
the company name but it no longer replies, perhaps uld was different it's
been several years since I've had to send a test mail, if I send one now I
just use the address I have on another domain.

Just think of all the bandwidth the spammers clog up
while sending you email (that you don't "see") and your

But at least I don't see it.:-)
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Cheers,
Model Flyer
MS880B EI-BFR

host's SMTP server bouncing it back if you post a
false email address using a REAL domain name
like hotmail.com. It just slows down the internet
for everybody.

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FF

Modelflyer wrote:
It's so easy to harvest addresses that it's foolhardy to leave oneself
exposed like that.

Foolhardy? nonsense, just because you do not know how to manage your email
program.

Perhaps Jerry, you would care to enlighten me, tell me how to set-up Outlook
Express to prevent spam. My ISP now provides an anti spam service, but I
don't see any function within OE to effectivly block spam.


You install all of the security upgrades provided for free by
Microsoft.

That should prevent all spam being sent from your copy of OE, unless
you deliberately send it.

_Blocking_ spam at the receiving end does not _prevent_ it...

It is possible, though messy, to prevent others from sending spam:

http://slashdot.org/it/99/10/30/0841215.shtml

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FF

Jerry Springer wrote:
Morgans wrote:

"Jerry Springer" wrote


And you are so naive that you don't know that spammers are sending spam to
your phony email address, then being bounced back?


So if you put your address down as jerry at springer dot net, the spam bots
are going to pick it up, and boounce it back?

I seriously doubt it.

The spam bot have figured out that one a long time ago

You don't think that the spam bot are looking at your FROM address?

I don't know the proper way to describe the protocol but SMTP
provides a feature that allow a connecting client to ask if a
partricular email address is valid on that server and the server
replies with a yes/no. This is done without sending an email.

Typically email address harvesting spamware will immediately
check a harvested address in this manner and reject any
that are invalid--so that more typically the "reality check" is
the only traffic sent when an invalid address is harvested.

HOWEVER, some sysadimns report tha tthe "reality check"
traffic alone is so heavy it would crash their servers if they
did not use blacklisting to refuse connnections from large
parts of netspace.

And of course _some_ spammers illustrate rule #3 in spades
and do send to invalid email addresses.

I used to munge my username to "
on LARTs sent from my work address. Sometimes I mispelt it.
Before long I was getting spam at my work address with
, ,
and a few others in the "Cc: "


The idiot that is worrying about me using my real email address and it
causing clutter and slowing down the net is just that an idiot.

Agreed.

If spammers didn't harvest my email adress and send me spam I
couldn't have their IP space added to the SpamCop blacklist.

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FF