Spooky flights

On Feb 3, 10:49 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Again, are you seriously positing that we have as much freedom today
as we had on 9-10-01? I guess all those people at the AOPA annual
meetings are all worked up for nothing?

All those people are worked up because Frederick, MD -- AOPA's home
base -- is right outside the ADIZ.

If AOPA was based in, say, Sacramento, or Des Moines, the Washington
ADIZ would not be nearly as big a deal for them.

Not that I'm saying it shouldn't be a concern for them, BTW.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well, I'm talking about AOPA members who attend the annual meetings
that take place in places like San Diego and, most recently, Palm
Springs. They, for the most part, aren't from Frederick, and they're
concerned not just about the DC ADIZ, but all the popup TFRs, the
draconian enforcement mechanisms, and the nonsense of it all. And
they're correctly worried that the next ADIZ may indeed be put in
place in Sacramento or Des Moines. Do you recall watching Admiral
Stone's Q&A session in San Diego a few years ago? I'm sure AOPA
probably still has the video on their site somewhere. There were a
lot of ****ed off people, and they weren't from the DC area.

Are you saying that AOPA would not be concerned if there were an ADIZ
in every city with a population of, say, 100,000?

Try flying VFR from Paris to Berlin -- without talking to *anyone*,
either on the phone or in the air -- and see how far you get. You
will quickly find out that America really is still the "Land of the
Free" when compared to your European Union, or anywhere else in the
world, for that matter.

The European Union are still seperate countries with their own rules.
I doubt it that you can fly to Canada, Mexico, The Bahamas or Cuba
without 'talking to anyone'.

And you are right that we have a smaller playground, that means we do
not have to fly for ages just to end up in places like
Dribbleville(IL) or Urinal(TX) but real places like Cannes, Barcelona,
Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam. :-)

Does it really matter.
No, we all can afford to fly and are still healty enough to do so.
Enjoy it, I do.

-Kees

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
And Americans seem to be curiously blind to the increasing lack of
freedom in their own country.

We can't protest against what doesn't exist. Freedom reigns here, as
it always has -- and always will.

The only gripe I have with my government is our absurdly unfair
taxation system, and our social and corporate welfare system that
allows slackers, bums and scheisters to live a life of comfort.

Jay,

What is the proper function of government and why is ?

However, these are small prices to pay, in exchange for the incredible
personal freedom we have here in the US of A.

As long as your ox isn't being gored.

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..



No one was "crowing" about freedom until you denied its existence
in the United States.


Americans constantly brag about "freedom."

This from a mental midget who ducked to France where "liberty" means living
out of someone else's pocket, as a vassal of the state.

Hey, (appropriately named) Maniac,

Read up on one of your countrymen, Frederic Bastiat.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Again, are you seriously positing that we have as much freedom today
as we had on 9-10-01? I guess all those people at the AOPA annual
meetings are all worked up for nothing?

All those people are worked up because Frederick, MD -- AOPA's home
base -- is right outside the ADIZ.

Seems both of you confuse "freedom" with "convenience".

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..


No one was "crowing" about freedom until you denied its existence
in the United States.


Americans constantly brag about "freedom."

This from a mental midget who ducked to France where "liberty" means living
out of someone else's pocket, as a vassal of the state.

Hey, (appropriately named) Maniac,

Read up on one of your countrymen, Frederic Bastiat.






Did you just call me a midget?

wrote in message
oups.com...

Try flying VFR from Paris to Berlin -- without talking to *anyone*,
either on the phone or in the air -- and see how far you get. You
will quickly find out that America really is still the "Land of the
Free" when compared to your European Union, or anywhere else in the
world, for that matter.

The European Union are still seperate countries with their own rules.
I doubt it that you can fly to Canada, Mexico, The Bahamas or Cuba
without 'talking to anyone'.

I believe that with a flight plan, you can fly VFR to Canada without talking
to anyone until you get to a towered Customs airport.

Matt Barrow wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Try flying VFR from Paris to Berlin -- without talking to *anyone*,
either on the phone or in the air -- and see how far you get. You
will quickly find out that America really is still the "Land of the
Free" when compared to your European Union, or anywhere else in the
world, for that matter.

The European Union are still seperate countries with their own rules.
I doubt it that you can fly to Canada, Mexico, The Bahamas or Cuba
without 'talking to anyone'.


I believe that with a flight plan, you can fly VFR to Canada without talking
to anyone until you get to a towered Customs airport.




And it's not necessary to go to a towered airport. Just call customs
when you land. Most times they won't even come out.

On Feb 5, 10:20 am, "Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message

oups.com... Again, are you seriously positing that we have as much freedom today
as we had on 9-10-01? I guess all those people at the AOPA annual
meetings are all worked up for nothing?

All those people are worked up because Frederick, MD -- AOPA's home
base -- is right outside the ADIZ.

Seems both of you confuse "freedom" with "convenience".

No. Two tenets of the American justice system that have been trashed
for pilots since 9-11: 1) innocent until proven guilty and 2) the
right to examine evidence against you. These are hardly matters of
"convenience."

"Newps" wrote

Did you just call me a midget?

I'm pretty sure that was not aimed at you, but the MX.
--
Jim in NC