"Rolling" to ATC

On Feb 5, 2:15 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
chris writes:
Which is what we are supposed to do, although I have been for a very
scary flight in a Cherokee Charger at Raglan where the dude made no
radio calls the whole trip, did no run-up, climbed with the stall
warning lit up the whole way up, on a very very rough day, did his
circuit the wrong direction, then slammed it on the runway and skidded
sideways to a stop.

So why were you flying with him?

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Bloody good question!!! Others have asked me that too!

Umm, his mate was a mate of mine who kept bugging me to go for a fly
with him because I apparently would really enjoy the experience!!! In
an effort to get them to shut the hell up I agreed to go with him for
a flight. Never again!!!

And his did his big skid in front of three of our club's instructors,
who all were seriously unimpressed!

Correct.....

Mx is a sim pilot, - but he has the right idea most of the time,
and stays civil _all the time_.

The OPINIONS of ANYBODY here must be considered carefully by all who
read them....

There is no licence required to participate in this group, or express
opinions..

Mx HAS MADE IT CLEAR he has not flown a plane as PIC.

So... should we ASSUME everybody else posting here HAS flown as PIC in
a REAL plane?

I don't, and I take serious pause when I read some of the stuff posted
here....

This IS usenet..

YMMV....

Dave



Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:25:52 GMT, "Casey Wilson"
wrote:


"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

This is the way I do it, mostly. If the controller makes it clear
that I must take off immediately, I acknowledge the clearance and also
indicate that I'm actually moving. Conversely, if the controller does
not make it clear that I must move quickly, and if for some reason
there is any significant delay between my readback of the clearance
and my actual take-off, I will advise the controller when I'm actually
rolling.

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NOTICE!!!!
Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:00:24 -0800, Don Tuite
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:59:26 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

Are we talking barrel or aileron rolls?

On the runway? Takes a plane with a pretty short wing span.



Don
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Don Tuite wrote:
I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

Are we talking barrel or aileron rolls?



Toilet.

On 4 Feb 2007 12:30:46 -0800, "chris"
wrote:

On Feb 5, 6:59 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

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In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

We don't even then. Typically when leaving the hold line the pilot
will announce XXX departing runway (what ever) at (airport name)

At controlled fields requiring a read back, if it's only XXX cleared
for departure (or take off), I just acknowledge with my N#. If there
is more to the clearance/instructions I will repeat an abbreviated
version. If I receive instructions from the tower for runway 050 such
as XXX on departure, fly runway heading, climb to and maintain two
thousand five hundred., cleared for the departure. Then I'll read
back, zero five zero, two thousand five hundred, cleared for
departure, XXX.
However if told to expedite, I will acknowledge the expedite.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 4 Feb 2007 16:09:55 -0800, "cavedweller"
wrote:

On Feb 4, 6:54 pm, Sam Spade wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

What is the name of Dagwood's wife?

Who's Dagwood?

Blondies Husband!
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Feb 5, 3:17 pm, Roger wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 12:30:46 -0800, "chris"
wrote:





On Feb 5, 6:59 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

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In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

We don't even then. Typically when leaving the hold line the pilot
will announce XXX departing runway (what ever) at (airport name)

At controlled fields requiring a read back, if it's only XXX cleared
for departure (or take off), I just acknowledge with my N#. If there
is more to the clearance/instructions I will repeat an abbreviated
version. If I receive instructions from the tower for runway 050 such
as XXX on departure, fly runway heading, climb to and maintain two
thousand five hundred., cleared for the departure. Then I'll read
back, zero five zero, two thousand five hundred, cleared for
departure, XXX.
However if told to expedite, I will acknowledge the expedite.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)www.rogerhalstead.com- Hide quoted text -

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Interesting...

Just slightly off topic - here in NZ there's usually so little traffic
outside the main centres it's also not uncommon for people to spend
far too long chatting to their mates and blocking up the radio..
Especially on 119.1 which seems to cover just about every uncontrolled
airfield, at least in my part of the country.. Damn annoying when that
happens!

chris writes:

Umm, his mate was a mate of mine who kept bugging me to go for a fly
with him because I apparently would really enjoy the experience!!! In
an effort to get them to shut the hell up I agreed to go with him for
a flight. Never again!!!

You risked your life just to shut someone up? Did you know how bad
this pilot was in advance, or did you have any inkling that he might
not be the best pilot around?

Flying with someone whose skills you've not been able to at least
roughly assess is even more dangerous than driving with someone under
such circumstances. I don't know that I'd be willing to fly with
anyone who is practically a stranger to me, at least in general
aviation (obviously I do this every time I take a commercial flight).

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In article ,
Dave wrote:

Mx is a sim pilot, - but he has the right idea most of the time,
and stays civil _all the time_.

Either mx has changed or ....

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Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

On Feb 5, 3:40 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
chris writes:
Umm, his mate was a mate of mine who kept bugging me to go for a fly
with him because I apparently would really enjoy the experience!!! In
an effort to get them to shut the hell up I agreed to go with him for
a flight. Never again!!!

You risked your life just to shut someone up? Did you know how bad
this pilot was in advance, or did you have any inkling that he might
not be the best pilot around?

Flying with someone whose skills you've not been able to at least
roughly assess is even more dangerous than driving with someone under
such circumstances. I don't know that I'd be willing to fly with
anyone who is practically a stranger to me, at least in general
aviation (obviously I do this every time I take a commercial flight).

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Yeah, well that's probably a fair call!!

No, I didn't know how dangerous he was beforehand, although he does
tend to be a bit of a cowboy in real life - his idea of weeding the
yard behind his work is to pour petrol on it and set fire to it! I
understand he has had a long relationship with the local fire
department...

I did actually think he was going to kill us all!! And being in the
back seat sort of limits your options if it goes pear shaped..

I have found since then, that for every dodgy pilot I meet there are
several good ones - I flew with a couple of people from our club after
that and I was just stunned at how good they were - certainly inspires
you to improve your own flying...