Change the rules for the National Guard.?

Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 2/20/04 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On 20 Feb 2004 22:20:03 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 2/20/04 1:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Art came up with references to Mr Powell's biography/autobiography
referencing
the statement that Art quoted/paraphrased.

I still stand by by statement that in the current situation those
statements
are not applicable and I have serious doubts that Mr. Powell would make the
same statement at this time or during his later career in the Pentagon.
In the current situation the statement that Art quoted/paraphrased is still
bull****. Circa 1965 to 1973 the statement would have been applicable in a
lot
of circumstances, especially if you were a brown bar grunt Lt or an off the
street draftee.

Rick Clark


Your apology is accepted.


Arthur Kramer

I don't know if you've got the Powell book on your shelf. I do. You
might want to continue on to the next paragraph on p. 149 to see the
isolation of the comment to the bankrupt policies of the Johnson
administration. Powell was exactly right when referring to 1967-69 and
should be respected for calling a spade a spade. But, this discussion
is about: first, GWB's experience from 1970-74, and more importantly,
the state of the Guard/Reserve from post-Vietnam until today.

Clearly the record shows that the employment philosophy of the
Guard/Reserve components has changed drastically. Failure to note a
shift in policy over forty years is short-sighted and intellectually
bankrupt.

The Guard and Reserve are very active on the battlefields of America
and deserve the utmost respect.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8


He wasn't critisizing the guard for christsakes. He was critisizing those weak
bellied *******s who go there to hide. Y'know, the intellectually bankrupt you
are talking about.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to
wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National Guard units." -- Colin Powell,
My
American Journey, 1995

I guess it is now a cold day in hell.

Just because some chose the guard, is not an indictment of the guard itself.
Probably more of the process and those individuals.



Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: 362436 (Ron)
Date: 2/20/04 5:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to
wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National Guard units." -- Colin Powell,
My
American Journey, 1995

I guess it is now a cold day in hell.

Just because some chose the guard, is not an indictment of the guard itself.
Probably more of the process and those individuals.



Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)


Exactly.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to
wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National Guard units." -- Colin Powell,
My
American Journey, 1995

I fail to see where Powell said; "The guard is where you go when you don't want
to go to war but want everyone to think that you do." You're taking some great
liberties and putting words in the current Sec. of State's mouth if you believe
you've accurately paraphrased him. Like I said, it'll be a cold day in hell...


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Just because some chose the guard, is not an indictment of the guard itself.

Probably more of the process and those individuals.



Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)


Exactly.

But I will also assert that applying for ANG military pilot duty is not
avoiding anything. 2 years of active duty for training, and then learning to
fly an F-102 is not exactly something for the risk averse, or for one looking
for a guarantee to avoid combat. Sure, there are those that look back and say
how that unit did not see combat, but that was in the cold war, and the balloon
could have gone up...Luckily it did not.

I can say that if I had been in that situation, you can bet your ass I would
have accepted a guard pilot slot. Strapping on an F-102 is certainly more to
most peoples likeing then strapping on an M-16. Probably a whole hell of a lot
more fun too.




Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: 362436 (Ron)
Date: 2/20/04 6:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Just because some chose the guard, is not an indictment of the guard
itself.

Probably more of the process and those individuals.



Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)


Exactly.

But I will also assert that applying for ANG military pilot duty is not
avoiding anything. 2 years of active duty for training, and then learning to
fly an F-102 is not exactly something for the risk averse, or for one looking
for a guarantee to avoid combat. Sure, there are those that look back and
say
how that unit did not see combat, but that was in the cold war, and the
balloon
could have gone up...Luckily it did not.

I can say that if I had been in that situation, you can bet your ass I would
have accepted a guard pilot slot. Strapping on an F-102 is certainly more to
most peoples likeing then strapping on an M-16. Probably a whole hell of a
lot
more fun too.




Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)



In WW II your chances of survival were better in the tank corps than in the
air. Know when you have it good and don't do anything dumb..It's the high
price of glamour.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

In WW II your chances of survival were better in the tank corps than in the
air. Know when you have it good and don't do anything dumb..It's the high
price of glamour.

In Vietnam your chances of survival were better in the tank corps than in
the Infantry. But there's worse things than being dead.

There's a reason the tank corps are always fully staffed, and slots are never
available.

The bad part about the tank corps, was that many went crazy and were all
sectioned out after their brains boiled in the heat of those things. Most before
their year was up.

Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.?
From: "D. Strang"
Date: 2/20/04 7:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In WW II your chances of survival were better in the tank corps than in the
air. Know when you have it good and don't do anything dumb..It's the high
price of glamour.

n Vietnam your chances of survival were better in the tank corps than in
the Infantry. But there's worse things than being dead.

Yeah. I remember a few moments like that.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

What would really help Tarver, is if you stay the hell out of subjects
you know absolutely zero about and quit spouting off.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:59:58 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

Perhaps this will help:

"fudog50" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:12:47 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


You are a moron

The bad part about the tank corps, was that many went crazy and were all
sectioned out after their brains boiled in the heat of those things.

Sergeant Brown, my training sergeant in US Army ComZ, was a military
policeman in Tokyo in June 1950. When he arrived with all the other
fat and happy garrison troops in Korea, he was told: "We don't need no
MPs. Everybody's going in the same direction: South."

So they put him in a tank. His face blistered so badly that eight
years later it was still pockmarked.

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