Electric Sonex

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:12:07 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:19 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote:


Lately I hear the bird huggers are ****ed at the tree huggers who
want wind power.

Turns out the wind turbines make efficient bird slicers & dicers.

That's basically an old wives tale.
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html Cats kill a lot more
birds than turbines. Most of the objections to wind power are the
typical NIMBY stuff, with the bird thing thrown in along with anything
else that sounds remotely plausible.

Wayne (16 turbine-years, no sliced birds)


Since when did facts have anything to do with the Enviro-Wacko's reasoning?

Careful now, it wasn't the "enviro-wackos" who were spreading the
chopped-birdies story here. And generally, environmentalists *are* in
favor of wind power. As for energy misinformation in general, it
doesn't matter much that some people fear the three-eyed fish thing,
unless and until some new nuke plant proposals reach the permitting
stage, which has been 5 years off for the last 3 decades. By
comparison, new wind power isn't just pie in the sky, it's available
right now. It's also generally the most cost-effective renewable, and
the least objectionable way to add grid capacity. Yet lots of
otherwise sensible people sometimes stand in the way yipping about
"cuisinarts" etc. Sometimes they block the project, sometimes they
don't. The hell of it is that intermittent sources like wind *could*
supply up to 15% of grid power without extra backup. Doesn't sound
like much until you consider that nukes only supply 20%.

Here are some US poll numbers for various power sources.
http://www.pollingreport.com/energy.htm 47% (and dropping) in favor
of new nukes, and 87% in favor of renewables. Unfortunately, that can
change to 100% of the locals against any particular project.

Here are a couple of examples of current proposals - a small home
project, and a large offshore installation. There are fierce
objections in both cases, and they're mostly *not* from
environmentalists.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...mill.fight.cnn,
http://www.grist.org/news/powers/200...scom-windmill/

"We have met the enemy, and he is us"

Wayne