"Priceless" in Afghanistan

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Admin" wrote:


"Tosser" wrote in message
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"Admin" wrote in message
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Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...


Power to weight.


According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.


You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....

No but going completely vertical at the blink of an eye, you do lose your
wings.


WTF does that mean?...you didn't go to 60 degrees instantly did
you?...why must you go to 90 instantly?...

I just like to have two good wings on any AC I happen to be on at the time.
There is enough escapes on the B-1 but not on all AC. But I guess we need
to be overtaxing our Airframes on a daily basis so we can test them out once
in awhile.

"Admin" wrote:


"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Admin" wrote:


"Tosser" wrote in message
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"Admin" wrote in message
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Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...


Power to weight.


According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.


You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....

No but going completely vertical at the blink of an eye, you do lose your
wings.


WTF does that mean?...you didn't go to 60 degrees instantly did
you?...why must you go to 90 instantly?...

I just like to have two good wings on any AC I happen to be on at the time.
There is enough escapes on the B-1 but not on all AC. But I guess we need
to be overtaxing our Airframes on a daily basis so we can test them out once
in awhile.


Well, there you go...
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-Gord.

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Tosser" wrote:


"Admin" wrote in message
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Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...


Power to weight.


According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.


You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....



What ARE you talking about?...

He's talking about flight. Something you don't know too much about.

"Admin" wrote:


"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Tosser" wrote:


"Admin" wrote in message
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Why can't a B-1 go straight up (for however short a time)?...if
it can do a 60 deg attitude then are you telling us that it
cannot go another 30 deg?....why not?...


Power to weight.


According to the story, all that mass was going *supersonic*, FFS.


You don't lose that amount of inertia in the blink of an eye .....



What ARE you talking about?...

He's talking about flight. Something you don't know too much about.


I see...
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-Gord.

admin- Power to weight.

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 477,000 pounds (216,634 kilograms)
Weight: Empty, approximately 190,000 pounds (86,183 kilograms)
Thrust: 30,000-plus pounds with afterburner, BRBR
Empty weight still exceeds the engine thrust BRBR

Just go faster before you pull up. With your numbers, no A/C could do a loop,
and of course many do. In the F-4, about 36,000 pounds of thrust in A/B, in an
A/C that weighed about 34,000 pounds empty but did loops and straight ups and
downs all the time, weighing 50,000 pounds or so.

Energy management.

P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

admin- How about structural. As I said, it has to fly. Fighters and Missiles
go
straight up. The B-1 is Fuge BRBR


Okay, where are all the SAC guys...can a B-1B do a loop?
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

admin- You assume incorrectly. The fact remains that the B-1B is not
designed for
a 90 degree vertical unless you like smacking the ground and spreading
yourself over a country mile. BRBR

Doesn't that thing do over the shoulder nuke deliveries? Pull up, throw nuke
out, continue over the top, 1/2 cuban 8 type thing, accel and run like hell???

I'll bet it does...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Doesn't that thing do over the shoulder nuke deliveries? Pull up, throw
nukeout, continue over the top, 1/2 cuban 8 type thing, accel and run like
hell???I'll bet it does...

It was designed to do "lay down" nuclear bomb runs, not loft. I've seen them do
some pretty agressive (for a big plane) pitch outs, but I'm not sure if they
could execute an immelman or not.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

BUFDRVR wrote:

Doesn't that thing do over the shoulder nuke deliveries? Pull up, throw
nukeout, continue over the top, 1/2 cuban 8 type thing, accel and run like
hell???I'll bet it does...

It was designed to do "lay down" nuclear bomb runs, not loft. I've seen them do
some pretty agressive (for a big plane) pitch outs, but I'm not sure if they
could execute an immelman or not.

Don't see why not. If the high-altitude designed B-47s could do them (admittedly,
with some serious wing fatigue problems as a result), then the low-altitude
stressed B-1 shouldn't mind.

Guy

Don't see why not. If the high-altitude designed B-47s could do them
(admittedly,
with some serious wing fatigue problems as a result), then the low-altitude
stressed B-1 shouldn't mind.

It's not a stress issue, it's an excess thrust issue. The Bone may be able to
pull off an immelman,but I'm betting you won't find too many pilots eager to
test out that theory.

By the way, the B-47 could do many things niether the B-52 or B-1B can do.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"